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    Maine Voices: Maine should require background checks on all gun sales
    The only effect of such a law would be to make sure customers are legally qualified to buy firearms.

    By J. THOMAS FRANKLIN

    PORTLAND — Since before "Bert and I," Mainers have been proud of their common sense and common decency.

    ABOUT THE AUTHOR
    J. Thomas Franklin (e-mail: jfranklin@maine.rr.com) of Portland is president of Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence.

    But when the subject is guns, this respect for community often gives way to more self-centered views.

    Making safer our food, water, air or job sites is fine, but making gun ownership safer for us all is widely perceived as an assault on inalienable and absolute personal rights.

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    Misleading rhetoric by J. Thomas Franklin 12/08/10

    Maine gun owners are responsible. Because of that, we enjoy a very low crime rate. It truly amazes me Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence repeatedly attack the NRA and ignore the fact both the NRA, SAM, Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence, Project Safe Neighborhoods and the Department of Justice partnered and endorsed the Maine Gun Sellers Kit.

    Perhaps Maine Citizens Against Handgun Violence should ask to be removed as one of the sponsors if their main objective is to attack the NRA, the largest civil rights organization on the United States of America.

    Maine and the federal government have very strict penalties on the books both criminal and civil for transferring firearms to prohibited persons by statute.

    Transfer of an air pistol… to minors is also a crime in Maine. Misleading rhetoric by J. Thomas Franklin, president of a once respected organization infuriates law abiding citizens to no end.


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    Liberalism is spreading through Maine like a cancer. Like anywhere else it starts in the cities. I own 45 acres in Maine. My buddy has 50 on the other side of my river, and another 50 12 miles away. Most of the people we know who live there own a few acres. I think the massholes are buying up the state. So, since 50% of the voters re elected the dope in the statehouse here in MA, you have to figure, a lot of influential stupidity is moving in there. That's my theory.
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    gun control or the lack of it has virtually no correlation to crime. If you compare the incident of violent crime to gun control indexes, you'll find that there is no correlation between the two.

    For example, Alaska has one of the lowest gun-control rankings but one of the highest rates of violent crime. But Vermont, which like Alaska, has one of the lowest gun control rates also has one of the lowest crime rates. Rhode Island, which has one of the highest gun control rankings, has one of the lowest crime rates.

    It's time to stop the rhetoric from both sides of the issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    gun control or the lack of it has virtually no correlation to crime.
    Try explaining that to the liberal masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldOwl View Post
    Try explaining that to the liberal masses.

    Yes, there is nothing more frustrating than discussing gun control with a person who thinks if all of us are prohibited from owning guns, then criminals won't own guns.

    But it is just as frustrating to discuss gun control with someone who thinks that if everyone owned a gun then there would be no crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    gun control or the lack of it has virtually no correlation to crime. If you compare the incident of violent crime to gun control indexes, you'll find that there is no correlation between the two.

    For example, Alaska has one of the lowest gun-control rankings but one of the highest rates of violent crime. But Vermont, which like Alaska, has one of the lowest gun control rates also has one of the lowest crime rates. Rhode Island, which has one of the highest gun control rankings, has one of the lowest crime rates.

    It's time to stop the rhetoric from both sides of the issue
    Gun control does not work. Gun control makes it harder for the law abiding citizen to possibly get and carry a gun for self defense or for any other purpose. The criminals don't care about laws or restrictions so it makes no difference to them.

    The victim who is unarmed is more likely to suffer the effects of violent crime than the potential victim who is armed and can use the firearm effectively...

    In MA the permit is a "may" issue. Some towns have police chiefs that will issue unrestricted Class A LTCs (needed to carry the firearm loaded on ones person in a public way). Some of the other chiefs will not, no matter who is applying, issue Class A w/ no restrictions.. How is that restriction working for the good of the tax paying law abiding citizen who has no preclusion for getting the license?

    Can't have high capacity magazines (greater than 10 rounds) even though the Class A license permits high capacity. The magazines have to be pre-ban dated or not marked FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. I was looking to get a couple Magpul 30 round PMAGs.. Nope, frigging BS laws..

    The stock on a rifle classified as an "assault weapon" has to be fixed and can't be collapsible, unless the weapon is a pre-ban...

    I could go on and on with all the ridiculous restrictions and laws that do nothing but create the potential for normal law abiding citizens who choose to buy guns, to become criminals by a simple misinterpretation of needless laws... Shall not be infringed...

    So yea, there would be no issue if the gun grabbing liberal left just left...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nogods View Post
    Yes, there is nothing more frustrating than discussing gun control with a person who thinks if all of us are prohibited from owning guns, then criminals won't own guns.

    But it is just as frustrating to discuss gun control with someone who thinks that if everyone owned a gun then there would be no crime.
    The potential for crime is the reason to have a gun. People's actions can't be predicted and making utopia on earth is never gonna be feasible. It's that free will thing.. The phrase "sh!t happens" was coined for that very reason...

    But on this night 30 years ago now... 10:50 (aprox) John Lennon was shot dead for no good reason. What could have been if John or Yoko was carrying a gun? I know John was against it, but had to ask the question...
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    But on this night 30 years ago now... 10:50 (approx) John Lennon was shot dead for no good reason. What could have been if John or Yoko was carrying a gun? I know John was against it, but had to ask the question...

    No need to celebrate this socialist. Just like there is no need to celebrate Karl Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooddoctor View Post
    But on this night 30 years ago now... 10:50 (approx) John Lennon was shot dead for no good reason. What could have been if John or Yoko was carrying a gun? I know John was against it, but had to ask the question...

    No need to celebrate this socialist. Just like there is no need to celebrate Karl Marx.

    How do you know we are not better off??
    Needlessly taking any human life makes us no better off...

    I like his music and applaud his desire for peace, but don't really align myself with any of his politics...
    You can give peace a chance alright..

    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    Kalifornia does it. Hasn't reduced gun crime a bit.
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