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    A few days ago I provided a junior ROTC rifle team with spotting scopes so they wouldn't have to fetch targets and could shoot their air guns more.
    I want to know why I would be prosecuted for things the so called leaders do and they're not! ABOVE THE LAW?
    When I entered the Military Service of the USA I took an oath very similar to the standard oath many politicians take upon entering elected office. I noticed that they all swear to "uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic" just as I did. I still am bound by this oath as it was made to God and not to man. When a person takes this oath and then sets out to dismantle or destroy the constitution they swore to defend and uphold, even in part, I hold this to be violation of oath of office! Why is there no move to prosecute these people. Are they above the law? I assure you that while I was on active duty that I would have been prosecuted if I had broken my oath. If these elected officials are indeed the elite and above the law then they are royalty and our kings and queens and we are their subjects. This sticks in my craw and I say in the words of Emile Zola, I ACCUSE!!! I cannot stomach a traitor yet during service to our nation I was betrayed by people profiting from their positions and they were never prosecuted. I noticed betrayal in the past few years by elected officials leaking on to the internet, military plans that led to the death of our soldiers with no one prosecuted! This is something I feel needs to be addressed at the highest levels of government and I want to know why elected officials are allowed to break their oath of office and nothing is done! Are we to bow and say, yes your majesty or no your majesty? If they break laws that I would be prosecuted for and they are not then frankly, what the hell is really going on in Washington DC and what would Teddy Roosevelt do about it? I don't like back patting creeps that let one break the law and send the other to prison for the same deed. I joined the NRA after long thought over some of the things I mentioned here but I really don't know what you're up to as I have listened to talk for years and it smells of the back and forth propaganda I saw as a young man when the Soviet Union was our rival.
    If we are serious about our real rights then why are violations not prosecuted! Are you for real or just playing with the big boys. In my sight they aren't big at all. I fear God alone and respect no man unless he has earned it. Men like Alvin York as he was God fearing yet took up arms to defend according to his oath. Men like Teddy that would not give in to special interests but served the people. Of, by and for the people means just that. Why don't we insist that the education system undertake to teach respect for each citizen by each citizen and the responsibilities that go with the rights so dearly bought with the blood of those thad died under the oath that some hold worthless yet are called leaders. They are blind leaders that will lead us into the ditch. We as a nation must take what the founding fathers gave us and find a way to live with these rights and teach our young to respect them and each other. There should be no further argument as this is what we have and we need to learn how to make it work. I could go on to classical works like Art of War and Prince Mac but I'm 62 and I want to live out what is left of my life knowing our nation will find the way to make this freedom work the way it was given and not pick it apart. Please don't make an elderly Veteran have to fulfill his oath of years before by taking up arms against traitors that he has faced before. How do traitors get to power? They get there by good men doing nothing about it. Quit respecting traitors! I don't care if they were elected. When they set out to go against their oath they show their true colors.
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    PS There are plenty of telephone poles and rope for violent criminals and traitors. Clean up the nation! I would send money but I'm on social security and don't get much.

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    Bill, I'm sympathetic to what you're saying but the interpretation of the US Constitution to "uphold and defend" is apparently not as black and white as some of us might wish. Just took at the number of 5 - 4 Supreme Court rulings over the years we've had on gun rights and all the other controversial societal questions. Nine of the most learned men and women in America and yet their interpretation of our nation's most basic document continues to break along ideological lines versus merely deciphering what the Founding Fathers meant.

    We don't have the luxury of having nine constructionists or originalists if you will who embrace ruling on original meaning (or originally intended meaning) of our Constitution and Laws.


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    Too much profound interpretation to the words in the Constitution. The men that wrote it were 18th century gentleman farmers and it should be interpreted as such without the "deeper" meanings that special political interests add to it. Justices are added to the Court to follow the slant of the administration of the moment. The moment laws should not interfere with the original Constitution but deal with new problems that Law can do something about. Many decisions that the Court has made in the past are unconstitutional and should be thrown out because they violate the very document that they were supposed to interpret. Murder has always been against the law! Does the law stop it? New laws or reinterpretations don't solve problems. Education does. Changing the law to suit the moment is cursing the darkness! We need to find a way to work within the Constitution we were given and not a new interpretation of each new idea of what different people say it means. It is written in simple language and that is how it should be read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirwilliam View Post
    When I entered the Military Service of the USA I took an oath very similar to the standard oath many politicians take upon entering elected office. I noticed that they all swear to "uphold and defend the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic" just as I did. I still am bound by this oath as it was made to God and not to man.
    Mathew 5:34-37 (New International Verson)

    34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    Just took at the number of 5 - 4 Supreme Court rulings over the years we've had on gun rights and all the other controversial societal questions. Nine of the most learned men and women in America and yet their interpretation of our nation's most basic document continues to break along ideological lines versus merely deciphering what the Founding Fathers meant.
    Actually there have been quite a few 6-3, 7-2, 8-1 and even an occational unanimous decision be the SCOTUS. Both liberals and conservatives are equally guilty of forgetting this. Liberals like to say that Sam Alito, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas are ideologicaly identical, they are certainly not.

    Aproximately a year ago, the high court upheld the first amendment guarenty of freedom of speach by throwing out a law banning "crush videos". The decision was 8-1, with Sam Alito being the loan decesnt. At about the same time the court ruled in another case that a resident legal alien did not receive adaquate council because neither his attorney nor the judge in the case informed him that a guilty plea in his case could affect his imigration status. The decision was 7-2, with Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas being the dissents.

    More signifigantly the McDonald vs. Chicago case was not a 5-4 decision as consistantly gets incorrectly stated. The decision was a 4-4 decision with Clarence Thomas suplying a third oppinion concurring with Sam Alito, Antonin Scalia, John Roberts, and Anthony Kenedy.

    Unanimous decision typically occur in cases involving Freedom of Speach and other first amendment issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirwilliam View Post
    Many decisions that the Court has made in the past are unconstitutional and should be thrown out because they violate the very document that they were supposed to interpret.
    I can think of four bad decisions in recent times. These are all bad for various reasons and at first glace seem to have nothing in comman.

    1- Kelo vs. New London- Eminent Domain Case- Court failed to uphold fifth amendment in ruling that New London, CT could use eminent domain power to forcably purchace a man's house to sell the land to private developers with the goal of increasing property values/tax revenue. This ruling threatens private property rights.

    2- Medical Marijuana Case- Commerce Clause- Court redefined interstate commerce to include actions that are not in and of themselves involved in interstate commerce. This ruling drastically expands congress's power to regulate anything and everything.

    3- Juvenile Death Penalty Case- Eighth Amendment- Court ruled that executing juveniles is cruel and unusual punishment. The ruling is bad, IMHO, not so much in effect but in process. The court stated that since the majority oppion of international law concludes that executing juveniles is cruel and unusual, then executing juveniles is cruel and unusual. This ruling erodes the national sovereignty of our nation's law.

    4- Initial Challenge to McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Act- First Amendment- Court ruled that indivuals acting together can be restricted from engaging in political speach. This ruling is a hugh blow to the first amendment. NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre has stated many times that he thought the court blew the case on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50AE View Post
    Mathew 5:34-37 (New International Verson)

    34 But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
    We all make mistakes like joining the Military when we are young and foolish and end up having to live with our mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirwilliam View Post
    We all make mistakes like joining the Military when we are young and foolish and end up having to live with our mistakes.
    sounds like someone had a poor experience as a private....most likely due to his/her own actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettefreak View Post
    sounds like someone had a poor experience as a private....most likely due to his/her own actions
    He also missed the point of the Biblical quote.

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