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    Default Indiana CCW Has anyone dealt with the VA and Local government with PTSD Or depression

    I am an Honorably discharged veteran of the US Marine Corps, I have held a concealed carry permit previously from Arizona and Missouri. Now I am trying to get my permit in Indiana as a resident and since I have been treated in the past for PTSD I need a letter of some sort from my doctor. The VA clinic in South Bend Indiana says that they will not issue the letter. I have never been found to be a danger to anyone, nor have I had as much as a speeding ticket in my life. However now because of this restriction in the law for CCW I don't have the right that I served to protect for others to carry a firearm on my person. One last note of interest I have also spent time as a federal corrections officer in Arizona prison and they knew of my PTSD even though they armed me at times with both a shotgun and an M14? Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.

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    im a vet of the u.s.n i dont under why the need of a letter but more importantly, why wont our va.hospital
    write the damb letter? unfortionatly the gov. wont stand up for us when there done with us!

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    If you haven't already, you could renew your AZ permit for the time being until things get straightened out.

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    The "Veteran’s Second Amendment Rights Bill" was just passed and addresses this very issue. Check out the NRA-ILA website and the CCWByState for more info on this. This should help with what you need to do. Thanks for your great service to this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Heathman View Post
    I am an Honorably discharged veteran of the US Marine Corps, I have held a concealed carry permit previously from Arizona and Missouri. Now I am trying to get my permit in Indiana as a resident and since I have been treated in the past for PTSD I need a letter of some sort from my doctor. The VA clinic in South Bend Indiana says that they will not issue the letter. I have never been found to be a danger to anyone, nor have I had as much as a speeding ticket in my life. However now because of this restriction in the law for CCW I don't have the right that I served to protect for others to carry a firearm on my person. One last note of interest I have also spent time as a federal corrections officer in Arizona prison and they knew of my PTSD even though they armed me at times with both a shotgun and an M14? Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.

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    I'll ask some people I know who work for the V.A. It's not uncommon for the federal government to hire people who have PTSD in armed positions, but for them not to issue the required paperwork is a little strange. If you have no problems, then they should issue you the letter but we all know how long it takes for the V.A. to do what you need them to do.

    Have you talked to a patient advocate? They will be your first, and hopefully last, of many people to talk to.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyNoNeil View Post
    The "Veteran’s Second Amendment Rights Bill" was just passed and addresses this very issue. Check out the NRA-ILA website and the CCWByState for more info on this. This should help with what you need to do. Thanks for your great service to this country.
    Good to know, thanks for the information!

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    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. 2nd Amendment

    This tells me that the government has absolutely no business knowing if a person is armed or what if any weapon they may have in their possession. After all the original intent for the 2nd Amendment was so we the people would be able to defend ourselves against our own government's illegal intrusions into our persona and private business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Heathman View Post
    I am an Honorably discharged veteran of the US Marine Corps, I have held a concealed carry permit previously from Arizona and Missouri. Now I am trying to get my permit in Indiana as a resident and since I have been treated in the past for PTSD I need a letter of some sort from my doctor. The VA clinic in South Bend Indiana says that they will not issue the letter. I have never been found to be a danger to anyone, nor have I had as much as a speeding ticket in my life. However now because of this restriction in the law for CCW I don't have the right that I served to protect for others to carry a firearm on my person. One last note of interest I have also spent time as a federal corrections officer in Arizona prison and they knew of my PTSD even though they armed me at times with both a shotgun and an M14? Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.

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    In the Concealed Carry Forum is a thread "Concealed Carry, IMPORTANT" by cougaram who relates his experience with a VA hospital. He stated a nurse asked him three questions, (1) Did he feel stressed?, (2) Did he feel threatened?, and (3) Did he feel like doing harm to anyone?" He said the nurse told him that if he had answered "Yes" to either of those questions he would have been reported to Homeland Security and his CCW license would have been cancelled. As we all know, veterans have been classified as potential terrorists by Homeland Security so I guess we have to be extra cautious in answering questions from any government entity. It is a shame that, after serving our country, the politicians are now afraid of us!

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    Sorry for the late reply. If the statements below seem confusing, send me another message or post.

    I've dealt with a similar situation, trying to find the legal jurisdiction who would take responsibility and represent me. It was quite a daunting process at first, but I then had eight national and state Senators and Representatives from two states helping me out. I'm telling you, there is no greater feeling than having eight politicians crossing party lines and agreeing with you.

    Here is how I would proceed if the V.A. psychiatrist or psychologist refuses to submit a simple letter in compliance with Indiana law, and the Patient Advocate refuses to help I would:

    Find what state your psychiatric medical provider is licensed to practice. It's my understanding that the V.A. only requires an active license within the United States, and not within the state the provider practices.

    Get the Senators and Representatives contact information of the state and national level where your provider is licensed.

    Contact your local state Senator and Representative's office and inform them of the situation. Inform them you will be contacting your national Senator and Representative of your state, and where the provider is licensed. Inform the office of the situation, give them their information and they will probably be getting a phone call to coordinate the efforts.

    Call your national Senator and Representative and explain the situation to them, and give them the appropriate information. Explain your national Senator and Representative that you are facing nonsensical bureaucratic red tape and need their help. Explain to them that you and your state needs the letter to be typed, but the Veterans Affairs psychiatric provider refuses to - thus leaving you in jurisdictional conundrum. Explain to them where the provider is licensed, and their Senators and Representatives.

    I would then call the provider's licensed state's Senators and Representatives on the state and national level. I would repeat the above.

    Depending on how the Senator's and Representative's offices handle it, it may run very quick or slow. Most likely, there will be a letter issue from the office to your provider informing them they need to comply with state law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgrunt View Post
    In the Concealed Carry Forum is a thread "Concealed Carry, IMPORTANT" by cougaram who relates his experience with a VA hospital. He stated a nurse asked him three questions, (1) Did he feel stressed?, (2) Did he feel threatened?, and (3) Did he feel like doing harm to anyone?" He said the nurse told him that if he had answered "Yes" to either of those questions he would have been reported to Homeland Security and his CCW license would have been cancelled. As we all know, veterans have been classified as potential terrorists by Homeland Security so I guess we have to be extra cautious in answering questions from any government entity. It is a shame that, after serving our country, the politicians are now afraid of us!
    Under the Privacy Act of 1974 agencies cannot disclose this information to Homeland Security because they feel like it, unless it's to stop a crime. If the Veterans Affairs discloses this information, it must be in compliance with the Privacy Act of 1974 which includes disclosing how it's disclosed, revealing the person's own records to whom they were disclosed, and only disclosing them under certain limited situations.

    The only times I know when it's legally required is if a threat on the President, Vice President, Senator or Representative is made - and that get's reported to Secret Service (now a part of Homeland Security) or the Federal Bureau of Investigation - this is federal law and I believe it's required by all citizens. The other times when data can be disclosed are when a warrant is retrieved, census gathering, or it's to immediately prevent a crime.

    If you don't believe me, look up the information:

    Federal Register / Vol. 73, No. 236 / Monday, December 8, 2008 / Notices - http://www.rms.oit.va.gov/SOR_Record...e_103VA07B.pdf

    Dept. of Veterans Affairs Records Control
    Schedule 10-1
    - http://www.va.gov/vhapublications/rcs10/rcs10-1.pdf

    The nurse was seriously misinformed. People in various positions tend to get their information secondhand and from rumors and spread them as fact. Kind of like what's happening here.

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    I cannot offer you any help at all but I will be interested in the results. Thank you for your service...we appreciate it very much...Also thank you to OG and all of the veterans and military here.
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    Jeff...hopefully I'm doing this right because this is the first reply I've ever done with the iPhone app. I hope this reaches you in time to help.

    I dealt with the exact same basic issue in Indiana and I found out that it would have just been easier to answer that question with a "no" since they would have most likely never found out anyways...but I digress.

    My doctor (Indianapolis VA) was willing to submit the letter that ISP required. The biggest issue I had was that they still denied my permit but, after speaking with Lt. Pete Wood (the ISP officer that approves Indiana's handgun permits) personally, I was advised to appeal the decision. He basically stated that it was going to be a formality in my case (honorably discharged OIF veteran with no criminal record) and that they just needed to meet me in person to personally judge my character. Bear in mind that this process took 7 months starting December of 2010 so you may be in for a waiting game.

    As far as the letter goes, definitely speak to your case manager. There is nothing that they ask that would put the VA at risk; all they have to do is say what you're being treated for, list any meds you're on, and say something generic like "he is doing well at this time." It sounds to me like your doctor is a little chicken **** and doesn't want to stick his/her neck out a little.

    Best of luck...I'd like to hear how this ends (or ended of you're done)

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