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This is a discussion on Get UT non-resident permit, skip MN resident permit? within the Minnesota Discussion and Firearm News forums, part of the Firearms Discussion by State category; Originally Posted by gunsrgr8 In order to get a Utah permit the applicant must have a permit from their home ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsrgr8 View Post
    In order to get a Utah permit the applicant must have a permit from their home state if a permit is available in their home state.
    I know of no state which offers permits which honors an out of state permit carried by a legal resident of said state.
    The UT permit used to do just that. Unless your home state only accepts resident permits from another state if it has reciprocity with UT their permit is valid. I carry with a UT non res permit in NC myself.

    But, last year UT changed their permit laws so that now you have to have your own state's permit before you can get their non res permit. Nice people as those Mormons are, that will however NOT invalidate existing permits (which are valid for a generous 5 years) but you can't renew them unless you first get the local permit. Which stinks for me because NC requires citizenship for a CCW permit and I am only a resident permanent legal alien and not rich enough to sue them to make it otherwise (many states have dropped similar restrictions after being sued).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jg1967 View Post
    The UT permit used to do just that. Unless your home state only accepts resident permits from another state if it has reciprocity with UT their permit is valid. I carry with a UT non res permit in NC myself.

    But, last year UT changed their permit laws so that now you have to have your own state's permit before you can get their non res permit. Nice people as those Mormons are, that will however NOT invalidate existing permits (which are valid for a generous 5 years) but you can't renew them unless you first get the local permit. Which stinks for me because NC requires citizenship for a CCW permit and I am only a resident permanent legal alien and not rich enough to sue them to make it otherwise (many states have dropped similar restrictions after being sued).
    Not exactly true. Only time you are required to get your home state permit before applying for the UT permit is if your home state honors the UT permit. This allows residents of states like CA, HI, NJ, IL, NY, etc. the ability to apply for the non-resident UT CFP and not submit a copy of their home state permit. Kudos to the state of UT for writing a law to do exactly what was intended to do, yet limited so it would not exclude otherwise legal law abiding citizens in the process.

    A little history behind the change in the law. States like NM were concerned because their residents were acquiring and carrying under a UT CFP in the state of NM. The NM permit is substantially more costly than the UT CFP. This resulted in a loss of revenue for the state of NM, which also prompted them to stop recognizing the UT CFP. To protect their relationships with other states, and the further erosion of states from their impressive list of recognizing states, the law was drafted and passed by UT lawmakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    Not exactly true. Only time you are required to get your home state permit before applying for the UT permit is if your home state honors the UT permit. This allows residents of states like CA, HI, NJ, IL, NY, etc. the ability to apply for the non-resident UT CFP and not submit a copy of their home state permit. Kudos to the state of UT for writing a law to do exactly what was intended to do, yet limited so it would not exclude otherwise legal law abiding citizens in the process.

    A little history behind the change in the law. States like NM were concerned because their residents were acquiring and carrying under a UT CFP in the state of NM. The NM permit is substantially more costly than the UT CFP. This resulted in a loss of revenue for the state of NM, which also prompted them to stop recognizing the UT CFP. To protect their relationships with other states, and the further erosion of states from their impressive list of recognizing states, the law was drafted and passed by UT lawmakers.

    That you for throwing in the additional detail, certainly worth knowing.

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    I'd get one just for the simple fact that it's best to be covered by a resident permit in the state you live. And a few states around us only recognize a resident permit.
    I have both btw, that way I am covered for most of the country and especially the states surrounding MN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenDibble View Post
    I'd get one just for the simple fact that it's best to be covered by a resident permit in the state you live. And a few states around us only recognize a resident permit.
    I have both btw, that way I am covered for most of the country and especially the states surrounding MN.
    I recommend acquiring and maintaining as many permits as you can afford. Never know when laws will change and you will no longer be allowed to carry where you were once allowed to do so.
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    Get the MN. I have UT AND FL permits also. FL benefits me more than UT. By the way, don't trust the conceal carry apps with maps. They are not accurate enough. My ICHL app just updated yesterday. Still says I can carry in N Mexico with my FL.

    It's wrong!!! A couple weeks ago NM dropped FL. I'm in Albuquerque now unable to CC AGAIN!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rotjovi View Post
    Get the MN. I have UT AND FL permits also. FL benefits me more than UT. By the way, don't trust the conceal carry apps with maps. They are not accurate enough. My ICHL app just updated yesterday. Still says I can carry in N Mexico with my FL.

    It's wrong!!! A couple weeks ago NM dropped FL. I'm in Albuquerque now unable to CC AGAIN!!!!

    Rules often change and often without a lot of advance notice. It is for this reason why I acquire and maintain as many CC permits as I'm able to. Along with having the various permits, I also check with the individual states where I will be traveling to ensure what I want to do will be legal.

    In the end the individual gun owner and not the operator of a free website will be the one having to answer to LE if they are caught violating a law.
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