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This is a discussion on Concealed Carry Self Defense Knife within the New Mexico Discussion and Firearm News forums, part of the Firearms Discussion by State category; I realize this may be out of bounds for this forum, but I don't know where else to ask. I ...

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    I realize this may be out of bounds for this forum, but I don't know where else to ask. I was just wondering about the New Mexico laws regarding concealed/open carry of knives, particularly for self defense. The information I've been able to find on the web is very minimal and very, very vague. Does anyone know where to find information or know the rules. I've applied and am waiting for my CHL and don't want to jeopardize that at this time. If and when I get my CHL (and I fully expect to get it), I don't want a stupid mistake regarding a self defense knife to mess things up!

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    I even contacted the State Police and they couldn't/wouldn't tell me anything either. They just pointed me to the state statutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMGunIt View Post
    I realize this may be out of bounds for this forum, but I don't know where else to ask. I was just wondering about the New Mexico laws regarding concealed/open carry of knives, particularly for self defense. The information I've been able to find on the web is very minimal and very, very vague. Does anyone know where to find information or know the rules. I've applied and am waiting for my CHL and don't want to jeopardize that at this time. If and when I get my CHL (and I fully expect to get it), I don't want a stupid mistake regarding a self defense knife to mess things up!

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    Default Thanks for the heads up

    I guess then the carrying of a backup fixed blade knife concealed would be out of the question at this time, but I don't see anything that prevents me from carrying my regular folder that I use in the performance of my work.
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    Talking At least a little more info

    Max, spoke with a knowledgeable sales person behind the knife counter at Sportsman's Warehouse today about the dilemma and he pulled out a printed item similar to this. It came from Conway Greene Company. I went onto their site and navigated/searched until I came upon this.

    30-7-2. Unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon.
    A. Unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon consists of carrying a concealed loaded firearm or any other type of deadly weapon anywhere, except in the following cases:

    (1) in the person's residence or on real property belonging to him as owner, lessee, tenant or licensee;
    (2) in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance, for lawful protection of the person's or another's person or property;
    (3) by a peace officer in accordance with the policies of his law enforcement agency who is certified pursuant to the Law Enforcement Training Act [29-7-1 NMSA 1978];
    (4) by a peace officer in accordance with the policies of his law enforcement agency who is employed on a temporary basis by that agency and who has successfully completed a course of firearms instruction prescribed by the New Mexico law enforcement academy or provided by a certified firearms instructor who is employed on a permanent basis by a law enforcement agency; or
    (5) by a person in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued to him by the department of public safety pursuant to the provisions of the Concealed Handgun Carry Act [29-19-1 NMSA 1978].

    B. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the carrying of any unloaded firearm.

    C. Whoever commits unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

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    I would try a Ka-Bar TDI. It fits in a holster on your belt and is the same size if not a little smaller then a folding pocket knife. They look like this.





    Size of knife in photos is 2 5/16" "that's blade" the overall length is 5 5/8"

    They come in a longer blade as well. The bigger one is 3 11/16" "blade" and 7 9/16" overall.

    They come in Serrated edge and straight edge.

    A fixed blade knife worn in a position as to be immediately accessible with your non-dominant hand can be employed as a last ditch effort to prevent the suspect from getting your firearm. You could use the knife to cut the suspect's arm or other areas to cause him to release his grip on your firearm.

    A fixed blade knife is recommended because, although you may be able to rapidly deploy a folding knife under normal conditions, in a fight for your life, doing so might be just short of impossible. This can be attributed to the loss of fine motor skills that is associated with highly stressful encounters.

    It is your duty to fight with every ounce of energy you can muster and use whatever means necessary to retain your firearm!

    "Taken from Officer.com"

    New Mexico - Criminal Offenses - 30-1-12. Definitions...
    B. "deadly weapon" means any... weapon which is capable of
    producing death or great bodily harm, including but not
    restricted to any types of daggers, brass knuckles,
    switchblade knives, bowie knives, poniards, butcher
    knives, dirk knives and all such weapons with which
    dangerous cuts can be given, or with which dangerous
    thrusts can be inflicted, including swordcanes, and any
    kind of sharp pointed canes...
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    Brief summary of [Practical] Blade Length limits for Knife Carry in the U.S.
    State open / cncl -folder- -fixed- dagger auto bali univ notes
    FED both 2" s no no no no n/a
    AL (BL) cncl yes <"long"* <"long"* yes yes 13A-11-50; * caselaw calls long single-edged knives bowie knives, which are banned for concealed carry; see Smelley v State 472 So.2d 715 (1985). Butcher knives are bowies via Brewer v State 113 Ala. 106 (1897); see also Haynes v State 6 S.W.2d 319.
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    AK (BL) cncl yes* no no no no 11.61.200-240; * statute bans switchblades and gravity knives completely, and it bans concealed carry of anything but an "ordinary pocketknife". Balisongs are not gravity knives: State v. Strange.
    open yes yes yes no yes
    AZ (BL) cncl yes*? no no no ?* 13-3102; * "pocket knife" only; no useful caselaw. Statute is constitutional: Dano v Collins 802 P.2d 1021 (1990).
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    AR (BL) cncl 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s 5-73-120,121; travelling exception; sec. 120 bans carry of anything with intent to use as a weapon. A three-justice dissent in Garcia v State 969 S.W.2d 591 (1998) makes a good argument against the constitutionality of the 3.5" limit, with a good U.S. Supreme Court quote toward the end of the dissent. Sec. 120 was enacted after 121, and they overlap; 121 probably should have been repealed, and 121 is probably unconstitutional. Also, Nesdahl v State 890 S.W.2d 596 (1995) and Smith v State 411 S.W.2d 510 (1967).
    open 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s
    CA (BL) cncl yes no no no no* see 626.10 12020(a), 653k;See Jim March's Excellent CA knife law summary and the CA county ordinances in the "local ordinances" link just above this table. For instance, L.A. bans open carry of 3"+ knives (with vague "lawful recreation" exception); Oakland bans 3"+ knives completely. A much despised case, People ex rel. Mautner v Quattrone 211 Cal.App.3d 1389 (1989), held that butterfly knives are covered by CA's switchblade prohibition. People v Rosalio S. 41 Cal Rptr.2d 534 deals with a leatherman and the 2.5" school limit, finding the leatherman illegal because blades are legally measured from tip to handle, not just along the sharpened edge.
    open yes yes no no no*
    CO (BL) cncl 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s no no 18-12-101..105; open carry of anything may be legal, but expect to be hassled particularly in Denver. There is a hunting/fishing exception. Knives <3.5" are illegal to carry concealed with intent to use as a weapon, but otherwise are okay: A.P.E. v People 20 P.3d 1179 (2001). The knife in that case is not described, but presumably it is a balisong that was ruled to be a gravity knife at trial, mentioned in People v Pickett, 571 P.2d 1078 (1977). People v Gross 830 P.2d 933 (1992) is sometimes cited in reference to CO knife laws, but it's really a stretch to connect that to typical enforcement of sec. 102.
    open yes yes yes no no
    CT (BL) cncl 3.4"* cl / 4" s ? 1.5" s 1.5" s no 53-206; * vague caselaw. Highly dubious. <3" or a non-tactical folder is safer. 3.5" knife used in self defense may be prosecutable: State v Holloway, 528 A.2d 1176 (1987), despite State v Harris 258 A.2d 319 (1968) which held that without obvious intent, the 4" limit was strict and could not be lowered by a finding that the knife was a dangerous weapon. CT is truly a land of sheep: in State v Sealy 546 A.2d 271 (1988), a knife with a 4.5" blade is described as a butcher knife.
    open 3.4"* cl / 4" s ? 1.5" s 1.5" s no
    DE (BL) cncl 3" s no no no no 11.222,11.1442,11.1446; 1446 bans switchblades (anything using a spring or gravity)
    open yes yes yes no no?
    D.C. (BL) cncl 3" s 3" s 3" s no 3" s 22-4514,22-3204; 4.5" folder is illegal: Scott v. United States, 243 A.2d 54 (1968). Technically, by law knives with blades longer than three inches are illegal only with intent to use unlawfully, but as in many states, the burden of proof is typically reversed when dealing with larger knives.
    open 3" s 3" s 3" s no 3" s
    FL (BL) cncl 4"* cl no no no no 790.001,01; * It seems dangerous to rely on this. L.B. v State 700 So.2d 370 (1997) suggests that a closed folder of 3.75" is okay, due in part to an identical AG opinion from 1951 (stating knives up to 4" are common pocketknives). However, that "common pocketknife" exception is only for the definition of "weapon". "Concealed weapon" in 790.001 has no "common pocketknife" exception as the "weapon" statute does; this distinction is presented in Baldwin v State, 857 So. 2d 249 (2003). State v. Ortiz, 504 So. 2d 39: a 4" folder may be a concealed weapon because determination of "common pocketknife" is a jury question. Folding knives must be carried closed: Walls v State 730 So. 2d 294 (1999), Porter v State 798 So.2d 855 (2001). A tactical knife may not be a "common pocketknife": J.D.L.R. v State 701 So. 2d 626 (1997). There is plenty of other interesting caselaw: 504 So. 2d 39 (1987); Nystrom 777 So. 2d 1013; State v. A.D.H., 429 So. 2d 1316 (1983); Simmons v. State, 780 So. 2d 263 (2001); Garcia v State, 789 So. 2d 1059 (2001). For legal status of icepicks and razors, see State v. Tremblay, 642 So. 2d 64 (1994) and Robinson v. State, 547 So. 2d 321 (1989)
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    GA (BL) cncl ? no no no ? 16-11-126,127,127.1; The statutes prohibit carrying any offensive/defensive weapon concealed. It is also illegal to carry any such knife to a public gathering. In short, don't ever claim self defense as a reason for carrying a concealed knife. Carry laws at schools or at school events are much more strict (no dirks, bowies, switchblades, or knives with blades over 2"). Violation of those school restrictions (127.1) is a felony.
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    HI (BL) cncl yes* yes* no no no 134-51,52,53; Those sections ban dirk/dagger/deadly weapons, switchblades (spring/gravity), and balisong/butterfly knives, respectively. * must not be principally designed as a weapon.
    open yes yes yes no no
    ID (BL) cncl no 18-3302; Dirks and bowie knives are illegal except in the wilderness. So are "other deadly or dangerous weapon[s]", whatever that's supposed to mean.
    open no
    IA (BL) cncl 5" s 5" s no no no 702.7 (def.), 724.4; Balisongs are "dangerous weapons" and are illegal to carry concealed: In Re. F.A.B. (2004). It's likely that daggers and autos would also be "dangerous weapons". (Note: entry fixed 2004-03-13)
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    IL (BL) cncl yes yes yes no According to statute, a crime involving most knife carry only occurs if there is intent to use the knife unlawfully. Like several other state, though, in liberal areas like Chicago it's likely that unlawful intent would be presumed.
    open yes yes yes no
    IN (BL) cncl yes yes yes no yes IC 35-47-5-2
    open yes yes yes no yes
    KS (BL) cncl 4" s no no no no
    open 4" s no no no no
    KY (BL) cncl SAK?* cl no no no no 500.080, 527.020; * Stout v Commonwealth 33 S.W.3d 531 (2000) held that a 3" locking folder is deadly weapon. Also see Mason v Commonwealth 396 S.W.2d 797 (1965), Montgomery v Commonwealth 346 S.W.2d 479 (1961), Williams v Commonwealth 304 Ky. 359 / 200 S.W.2d 926
    open yes yes yes yes yes no
    LA (BL) cncl <4"* cl no no no * State v. Ordon suggests that a 4" knife is illegal;
    open yes? yes yes no
    ME (BL) cncl yes yes yes no yes
    open yes yes yes no yes
    MA (BL) cncl yes yes no 1.5"? s yes 269-10(b)... a typical lawyer-turned-legislator-crafted 232-word sentence fragment. I have no idea what it means, and I haven't found any illuminating caselaw.
    open yes yes no 1.5"? s yes
    MD (BL) cncl yes ?* no no no GCR 4-101; * technically "yes" unless it's intended as a weapon, but probably no. Again, this is a situation where intent is required by the statute, but ends up being presumed unless the defendent can prove otherwise. Anderson v State broadly discusses the statute and some D.C. caselaw on the subject.
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    MI (BL) cncl yes yes no no yes 750.226a; 750.227; It's illegal to carry anything above a 3" statutory limit with intent to use unlawfully. The standard caution applies: unlawful intent could be presumed by a court if the knife is scary enough. Also, no carry of daggers/stilettos, concealed or not, is allowed in a vehicle.
    open yes yes yes no yes
    MN (BL) cncl yes? yes? ? no yes? 609.66(1)(4) and (5);
    open yes? yes? ? no yes?
    MO (BL) cncl 4" s no no no ? 571.010(10),571.030;
    open 4" s no no no ?
    MS (BL) cncl yes* yes* no no yes* 97-37-1; * bowie and butcher knives are illegal to carry. No definitions are given.
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    MT (BL) cncl 4" s 4" s no no 4" s 45-8-316,331;
    open yes yes yes no yes
    NC (BL) cncl 3.5"?* cl no? no no no? 14-269; * 4.5" handle length, carried closed, is legal (therefore the blade length is probably around 3.5"): Dale B. (juv) 96 N.C. App. 375. There is very little other caselaw, and like in most places, the statute may not be routinely enforced.
    open 3.5"?* cl no? no no no?
    ND (BL) cncl 5" 5" no no 5"? 62.1-01;
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    NE (BL) cncl yes yes* no no? yes 28-1202. * Bowies are prohibited. 28-1201 is disturbing; it defines knives as anything more than 3.5", but "knife" is never used in Section 28 in a manner that could utilize that definition.
    open yes yes* no no? yes
    NH (BL) cncl yes yes no no yes 159:16;
    open yes yes no no yes
    NJ (BL) cncl * * no no no 2C:39-3; Apparently you need an explainable lawful purpose to get away with carrying anything besides a dagger/dirk/stiletto, auto, gravity, or balistic knife, which are flat-out illegal. Even then, as in most states, certain less-common knives would probably be "per se" weapons even with an explanation. * NJ state police seem to think all knives are illegal unless the carrier has an explainable lawful purpose. Legally, that probably isn't so, but it may take a court hearing, some lightening of your pockets, and some quality time in jail to sort things out.
    open no no
    NM (BL) cncl no no 30-7-8;
    open yes no
    NV (BL) cncl yes yes yes 2" s
    open yes yes yes 2" s
    NY (BL) cncl yes yes yes no yes* Other than switchblades and gravity knives, dangerous knives are only illegal when coupled with intent to harm another; that intent is presumed if the carrier possesses drugs. In re Alicia P. cites interesting knife-related caselaw. NY law requires malintent for most kinds of knives before carry becomes illegal. People v Kindred 18 A.D.2d 1086 held that a 15-18 inch knife was a "per se" weapon, possibly under a defunct statute. * Balisongs are not gravity knives: People v. Zuniga (2003).
    open yes yes yes no yes*
    NYC cncl 4" s 4" s 4" s no no? Switchblades are banned on account of State law. Limits are for concealed carry only; open carry is banned.
    open no no no no no
    OH (BL) cncl 4"* cl no no no 2923.12; concealed deadly weapons are prohibited. Balisongs are deadly weapons: Columbus v. Dawson. * A locking 4" folder is not a deadly weapon by itself, but these cases talk about the knives as if they required two-handed opening; modern knives with thumbholes/studs for one-handed opening may not be legal: State v. Anderson,
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    OK (BL) cncl yes yes* no* no* no*
    open yes yes* no* no* no*
    OR (BL) cncl yes yes no no no 166.240; prohibitions may not be constitutional: State v. Delgado, 298 Or. 395 (1984)
    open yes yes yes yes? yes
    PA (BL) cncl yes yes Balisongs are okay: Commonwealth v. Miles.
    open yes yes
    RI (BL) cncl 3" s 3" s 3" s 3" s 3" s 11-47-42;
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    SC (BL) cncl yes yes yes yes yes
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    SD (BL) cncl yes yes yes yes yes* * 22-14-29: carry by minors is restricted;
    open yes yes yes yes yes*
    TN (BL) cncl 4" s 4" s 4" s no
    open 4" s 4" s 4" s no
    TX (BL) cncl 5.5" s 5.5" s no no no 46.02; Note: caselaw suggests that blade length is measured from tip to handle; see McMurrough v State 995 S.W.2d 944; Rainer v State 763 S.W.2d 615. Folding knives can be daggers if dual-edged: see Goldberg v State 95 S.W.3d 345. Balisongs/Butterfly knives are opened by centrifugal force and are prohibited: Smith v. State, 1988 (no cite). Note, however, that that case is not citable as authority for the Prosecution if you are arrested for bali carry. Other cases mentioning in passing that butterfly knives are illegal: 926 S.W.2d 307 (1996); 2003 Tex. App. LEXIS 5473.
    open 5.5" s 5.5" s no no no
    UT (BL) cncl 3.5"?* cl no no no * This is a guess based on Kirkwood (cite below; 4" bad, 3" good). "Dangerous weapon" cases tend to involve restricted persons, so the law may not be generally enforced on people stopped for ordinary infractions. See State v Kirkwood, 47 P.3d 111 (2002). A very unhappy Appeals Court also decided that a 4.5" folding knife is a "dangerous weapon", 898 P.2d 271 (1995) due to stare decis of State v Archambeau 820 P.2d 920 (1991).
    open yes yes yes yes
    VA (BL) cncl yes yes no no yes 18.2-308;
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    VT (BL) cncl yes yes yes 3" yes 13-4003,4013,4016;
    open yes yes yes 3" yes
    WA (BL) cncl yes yes no no no 9.41.250, 270;
    open yes yes yes no no
    WV (BL) cncl 3.5" s 3.5" s 3.5" s no no 61-7-2,3; Statute declares that most knives over 3.5" are illegal to carry concealed; pocketknives <3.5" and hunting/fishing knives (which probably require evidence of sporting use) are legal, anything else is in a gray zone.
    open yes yes yes yes yes
    WI (BL) cncl yes* no no no no 941.23,24: concealed carry of "dangerous weapons" and switchblade/gravity/flickable knives is strictly illegal. Balisongs are illegal: 149 Wis. 2d 534 (1989).
    open yes* yes yes no no
    WY (BL) cncl ? no no no ? 6-1-104,6-8-104; "deadly weapon" is determined by an item's inherent intended use or by carrier's intended use. Statute is constitutional: State v. McAdams (1986).
    open yes yes yes yes yes

    Where blade length is specified, "s" means the length limit is written into the statute, while "cl" means the length limit is based on caselaw.

    The "college" column indicates a statutory limit for colleges more restrictive than usual. Many colleges have their own policies, and breaking them might result in unpleasant hassling by police, but such policies are not law.

    Stilettos/poniards are not dealt with here. (Sharp pointy things with no functional edge.)

    CCW exemptions to non-firearm carry laws are not mentioned in this page. If you have a CCW/CHL/CHP, it may give you permission to carry knives that would otherwise be illegal. This is notably the case in Florida, where a handgun permit is really a concealed weapon permit, and allows you to carry virtually anything as long as you keep it concealed.

    If this is hard for you to read here is the web site to it.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/library/b...knifelaws.html
    Here is another good one with about knife laws in the US.
    http://www.knifelawsonline.com/knife...7/Default.aspx
    Here is another good one.
    http://pw1.netcom.com/~brlevine/sta-law.htm#A-H
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    Here is a web site that has most City/County Blade Ordinances in the US.

    Municipal codes

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    Here is a list from CTD or illegal stuff by state.

    *
    Airguns
    o Bridgeport, CT
    o Delaware
    o Illinois
    o Massachusetts
    o Miami, FL
    o Michigan
    o New Jersey
    o New York
    o Rhode Island
    o San Francisco, CA
    o Washington, DC
    o
    Air RIFLES only:
    + St. Augustine, FL
    o
    Accessories for airguns:
    + Bridgeport, CT
    + Miami, FL
    + San Francisco, CA
    *
    Airsoft guns:
    o Bridgeport, CT
    o California
    o Delaware
    o Illinois
    o Massachusetts
    o Miami, FL
    o Michigan
    o Minnesota
    o New Jersey
    o New York
    o Washington, DC
    o
    Accessories for airsoft guns:
    + Bridgeport, CT
    + California
    + Miami, FL
    *
    Ammunition:
    o Alaska
    o APO/FPO
    o California (tracer ammo only)
    o Chicago, IL
    o Hawaii
    o Massachusetts
    o New York City, NY
    o Oakland, CA
    o Sacramento, CA
    o San Francisco, CA
    o Washington, DC
    o Marin County California
    o
    .50 BMG ammunition: only armor-piercing, incendiary and/or tracer:
    + Connecticut
    o
    Over .60 caliber except for shotgun ammo:
    + California
    o
    Handgun ammo with bullets made of tungsten alloys, steel, brass, iron, bronze, beryllium copper or depleted uranium:
    + New York
    o
    Reloading components i.e. bullets and brass
    + Massachusetts
    *
    Assault weapon gear:
    o
    Aurora, IL
    +
    Centerfire rifles:
    # Folding stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Bayonet mount
    # Flash suppressor
    # Threaded barrel
    +
    Pistols:
    # Detachable mag outside the pistol grip
    # Shroud
    # Threaded muzzle
    # Fixed high-cap mag
    +
    Semi-auto shotguns:
    # Folding stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    o
    California
    +
    Centerfire rifles:
    # Folding stock
    # Thumbhole stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Flash suppressor
    # Forward pistol grip
    # Detachable SKS mag
    +
    Pistols:
    # Second handgrip
    # Shroud (except for a slide)
    # Detachable mag outside the pistol grip
    # Threaded barrel that accommodates a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer
    +
    Semi-auto shotguns:
    # Folding stock
    # Thumbhole stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Detachable mag
    # Revolving cylinder
    o
    Chicago, IL
    +
    Centerfire rifles:
    # Detachable SKS mag
    o
    Connecticut
    +
    Centerfire rifles:
    # Folding stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Bayonet mount
    # Flash suppressor
    # Threaded barrel
    +
    Pistols:
    # Detachable mag outside the pistol grip
    # Threaded barrel
    # Flash suppressor
    # Barrel extender
    # Forward handgrip
    # Shroud
    +
    Semi-auto shotguns:
    # Folding stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Detachable mag
    o
    New Jersey:
    +
    Centerfire rifles:
    # Detachable SKS mag
    +
    Semi-auto shotguns:
    # Folding stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Revolving cylinder
    o
    New York
    +
    Centerfire rifles:
    # Folding stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Bayonet mount
    # Flash suppressor
    # Threaded barrel
    # Shroud
    +
    Pistols:
    # Detachable mag outside the pistol grip
    # Barrel extender
    # Second handgrip
    # Flash suppressor
    # Threaded barrel
    # Shroud
    +
    Semi-auto shotguns:
    # Folding stock
    # Telescoping stock
    # Protruding pistol grip
    # Bayonet mount
    # Flash suppressor
    # Threaded barrel
    # Shroud
    # Revolving cylinder
    *
    Batons, billy clubs, nightsticks, slaps:
    o Aurora, IL
    o California
    o Charleston, SC
    o Cheyenne, WY
    o Chicago, IL
    o Colorado
    o Knoxville, TN
    o Massachusetts
    o Michigan
    o New Jersey
    o New York
    o Ohio
    o Pennsylvania
    o Phoenix, AZ
    o Rhode Island
    o Salt Lake City, UT
    o Seattle, WA
    o Virginia
    o Washington, DC
    *
    Black powder guns:
    o Hawaii
    o Illinois
    o Massachusetts
    o Michigan
    o New Jersey
    o New York City, NY
    o Rhode Island
    o Tennessee
    o Wilmington, DE



    *
    Blowguns & blowgun darts:
    o California
    o Massachusetts
    o New York City, NY
    o Rhode Island
    *
    Bows:
    o Dover, DE
    *
    Cane Swords:
    o California
    o New York
    *
    Crossbows:
    o Dover, DE
    o New Jersey
    o New York City, NY
    o North Carolina
    o Rhode Island
    o
    Accessories for crossbows:
    + Dover, DE
    + New York City, NY
    *
    Fuel cans (surplus cans):
    o California
    o Connecticut
    o Delaware
    o Maine
    o Maryland
    o New Hampshire
    o New Jersey
    o New York
    o Pennsylvania
    o Washington, DC
    *
    Handcuffs & leg irons:
    o New Jersey
    o New York City, NY
    *
    Holsters
    o Los Angeles, CA (Any holster for a handgun that is less than 6.75" long)
    *
    Knives:
    o California (Pen-knife combo)
    o Knoxville, TN (Bowie knives)
    o New York City, NY (Folding knives that lock open with blades over 4")
    o
    Daggers & Throwing knives:
    + Knoxville, TN
    + Massachusetts
    + New Jersey
    + New Hampshire
    + Pennsylvania
    + Pittsburgh, VA (2-bladed throwing knives only)
    + Virginia Beach, VA (2-bladed throwing knives only)
    *
    Lasers:
    o New York City, NY
    *
    Laser sights:
    o Chicago, IL
    *
    Lock Picking Tools
    o California
    o Washington, DC
    *
    Machetes:
    o Chelsea, MA
    o Everett, MA
    o Lynn, MA
    o Revere, MA
    *
    Mags & clips (R=rifle; P=pistol; S=shotgun; CF=centerfire; RF=rimfire):
    o
    All mags:
    + New York City, NY
    o
    Over 10 rounds:
    + California (all)
    + Hawaii (all)
    + Massachusetts (all)
    + New York (all)
    o
    Over 12 rounds:
    + Chicago, IL (all)
    o
    Over 15 rounds:
    + Aurora, IL (R & P: CF & RF)
    + New Jersey (all)
    + South Bend, IN
    o
    Over 20 rounds:
    + Maryland (all)
    *
    Multi-burst trigger activators:
    o Buffalo, NY
    o California
    o Rochester, NY
    *
    Night vision devices:
    o Buffalo, NY
    o Rochester, NY
    *
    Pepper spray (any size):
    o Hawaii
    o Massachusetts
    o Menasha, IL
    o Mobile, AL
    o Nevada
    o New York
    o Washington, DC
    o
    Over 4 oz:
    + Hawaii
    + Massachusetts
    + Menasha, IL
    + Mobile, AL
    + Nevada
    + New York
    + Portland, OR
    + Texas
    + Washington, DC
    o
    Over 2 oz:
    + California
    + Florida
    + Hawaii
    + Massachusetts
    + Menasha, IL
    + Mobile, AL
    + Nevada
    + New York
    + North Carolina
    + South Carolina
    + Washington, DC
    o
    At least 15 grams & up to 60 grams (1/2 oz. to 2 oz.); range from 6 ft. to 20 ft.:
    + Wisconsin (MUST be a canister; cannot look like another product - pen, lipstick, etc.)
    +
    No more than 2%:
    # Michigan
    *
    Slingshots:
    o Aurora, IL
    o California
    o Charleston, SC
    o Chicago, IL
    o Dover, DE
    o Duluth, MN
    o Falls Church, VA
    o Knoxville, TN
    o Massachusetts
    o Michigan
    o New Jersey
    o New York
    o Rhode Island
    o Salt Lake City, UT
    o St. Augustine, FL
    o St. Louis, MO
    o Wilmington, DE
    *
    Starter (blank) pistols:
    o Hawaii
    o Illinois
    o Michigan
    o New Jersey
    o Rhode Island
    *
    Tasers & stun guns:
    o Illinois
    o Denison, IA
    o Hawaii
    o Maryland
    o Massachusetts
    o Michigan
    o New Jersey
    o New York
    o Pennsylvania
    o Portland, OR
    o Rhode Island
    o South Bend, IN
    o St. Paul, MN
    o Washington, DC
    o Wisconsin
    *
    Throwing Stars/Shuriken:
    o Aurora, IL
    o California
    o Charleston, SC
    o Indiana
    o Kansas
    o Massachusetts
    o Michigan
    o New York
    o Petersburg, VA
    o Seattle, WA
    o Virginia Beach, VA

    THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY'LL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM!!!!!

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    Yeah, even #5 is a little vague. I don't know if that means that carrying a knife if you have a conceal/carry license or not. What I understood is that the license only applied to a handgun. It's just way too complicated.

    Hey, I'm in Las Cruces too. Look me up if you want someone to go shooting with!

    Max

    Quote Originally Posted by NMGunIt View Post
    Max, spoke with a knowledgeable sales person behind the knife counter at Sportsman's Warehouse today about the dilemma and he pulled out a printed item similar to this. It came from Conway Greene Company. I went onto their site and navigated/searched until I came upon this.

    30-7-2. Unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon.
    A. Unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon consists of carrying a concealed loaded firearm or any other type of deadly weapon anywhere, except in the following cases:

    (1) in the person's residence or on real property belonging to him as owner, lessee, tenant or licensee;
    (2) in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance, for lawful protection of the person's or another's person or property;
    (3) by a peace officer in accordance with the policies of his law enforcement agency who is certified pursuant to the Law Enforcement Training Act [29-7-1 NMSA 1978];
    (4) by a peace officer in accordance with the policies of his law enforcement agency who is employed on a temporary basis by that agency and who has successfully completed a course of firearms instruction prescribed by the New Mexico law enforcement academy or provided by a certified firearms instructor who is employed on a permanent basis by a law enforcement agency; or
    (5) by a person in possession of a valid concealed handgun license issued to him by the department of public safety pursuant to the provisions of the Concealed Handgun Carry Act [29-19-1 NMSA 1978].

    B. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the carrying of any unloaded firearm.

    C. Whoever commits unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

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