Onondaga County pistol license upgrade to Full Carry APPROVED!

[jeffx]

Apparently it IS possible to get a full CARRY license in Onondaga County :D

I submitted a new "proper cause" form (along with copies of a stack of training certificates attached) to the Pistol License Office last week, Judge Aloi promptly approved it, and I picked up my new license Friday.

The pistol permit office did say that it is somewhat rare to get approved for full CARRY and that Judge Aloi is probably more likely to approve it than the other 2 current Judges, but that he just doesn't approve them "willy nilly."

So if you are stuck in Onondaga County with a Sportsman or Target permit, there is hope.

[shadowhawk176]

It's encouraging to see that there is a way to get a Carry in Onondaga County. When you say "copies of a stack of training certificates ", what courses did you take (and how do we sign up) and were these all taken as a civilian (or as a LEO, MIL)? Did you get any feedback from the folks at the pistol licensing office in terms of which courses they recognized, or which ones they didn't?

[jeffx]

Onondaga County doesn't officially accept any training or reasons for proper cause, it's all a guessing game and trial and error.

As a civilian, I took the NRA Basic Pistol, Defensive Pistol Skills 101 from Rochester Personal Defense, Combative Pistol 1/2 from MDTS Training and a couple of skills classes from SIG Arms Academy.

Rochester Personal Defense
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[phrozen4905]

Originally Posted by jeffx

Apparently it IS possible to get a full CARRY license in Onondaga County :D

I submitted a new "proper cause" form (along with copies of a stack of training certificates attached) to the Pistol License Office last week, Judge Aloi promptly approved it, and I picked up my new license Friday.

The pistol permit office did say that it is somewhat rare to get approved for full CARRY and that Judge Aloi is probably more likely to approve it than the other 2 current Judges, but that he just doesn't approve them "willy nilly."

So if you are stuck in Onondaga County with a Sportsman or Target permit, there is hope.

what reasons did you list on the new "proper cause" form?

[Sights on Target]

Congrats! It is good to hear. I too would like to know what "proper cause" you used.

[jeffx]

Here is a good suggested outline someone posted over on Glock Talk and I used a very similar format:

Originally Posted by RichM

A little late but, here's 'one' sample outline for you.

Write a well thought out letter to the judge answering each question he may ask.

It doesn't have to be more than one page. Check spelling and grammar closely. Write it, then think about it for a few days. Then reread what you wrote.

If you know of additional questions the judge has asked other applicants, answer those questions also.

i.e.

The Honorable Judge xxxx xxxx

Dear Judge xxxx

My name is John Xxxxx. I have resided in Xxxxxxx County since xxxx.

I write in regards to my New York State Pistol License #xxxxxxx issued by Xxxxxxxx County in xxxx.

1. Tell him who you are
2. What is your experience/training
3. Do you have prior experience carrying - (do you carry 'legally' in other states etc.)
4. Do you understand the law
5. Will you obey the law
6. Do you understand the (tremendous) responsibility
7. What are some of the reasons you want to carry - (List some activities)
8. How do/will you protect your firearm from theft out of your vehicle - (There may be times you have to leave it in the vehicle, even if you think not, answer this question)
....One answer is something like this: In Car Gun Safe
9. How do you protect your firearm from theft out of your home.

I respectfully request that my Pistol Permit be amended to remove the (Sportsman etc.) restriction.

Thank you for considering this request.

PM me and I will send you a de-personalized copy of what I actually wrote.