To all NYS (Erie County) Pistol Permit Holders

[trophyhunter]

I just left Mr.Wilmer Fowler Jrs.office (Supevisor of Erie Counties Pistol Permit Department) Dec 16,2011 @ 1145 AM

I was advised by Mr.Fowler, that if you have an Restricted NYS Pistol Permit to Hunting/ Target

That you are NOT Allowed to Carry your Weapon Loaded,and or Concealed while you are in route to, Hunting, or Target Practise.

Mr.Fowler was very firm on his Statement.He advised me that this Statement came from Supreme Court Judge M. William Boller.

When I asked him when this went into effect he said that M. William Boller Recently made this Regulation. I also asked Mr.Fowler why the Judge was doing this, and Mr.Fowler could not give me an firm answer.

I asked Mr.Fowler how this knowledge came to him, He advised me that it came directly from M. Wiliam Boller himself.

Now, for those of you who will read this post.Dont bash me. I'm only passing this Information off to all of you, As it was told to me.

Mr. Fowler was very serious, and firm on this Information.I have no reason to doubt him.He would not lie to me, Over such Sensitive Information. If any of you doubt this Information Call Erie County Pistol Permit Department, and ask to speak to Mr.Fowler Yourself.@ 716-858-6600

Please don't punish me, I'm only the Messenger. I spent 35 minutes with Mr.Fowler trying to make sense of all of this

Bottom line, If your Permit is Restricted to Hunting/Target dont get caught Carry your Weapon Concealed, and or Loaded while you are IN ROUTE to your Activity,or on your way BACK HOME. once you reach your Intended Activity, Hunting,or Target Shooting.

Then you may Carry, and have your Weapon Loaded. Any other times then this you will be in VIOLATION of your Restrictions. Most Important Remember I'm only the MESSENGER!!!!!!

I do not agree with this Regulation It does not effect me in any way, because i'm Unresticted but I feel bad for all of you that are.

If you have the time, call Mr.Wilmer Fowler Jr. yourself @ 716-858-6600 Thanks for reading, and not shooting the Messenger. Have a good Day.

[BC1]

If the permit says "license to carry pistol is hereby granted" then it is valid throughout the state as a carry permit. NYS PL 400.00 (licensing) states

6. License: validity. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall be valid notwithstanding (in spite of) the provisions of any local law or ordinance..... A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver, not otherwise limited as to place or time of possession, shall be effective throughout the state, except that the same shall not be valid within the city of New York unless a special permit granting validity is issued by the police commissioner of that city.

So if the permit is a CCW permit it is valid throughout the state and may not be infringed by any local law. There are no provisions in any NYS law requiring the gun be carried in any other form than concealed and loaded.

Now for the reality... many judges will advise a licensee that they may not carry the gun going to or coming from the event. In lower NY counties a wide berth is given to this and people generally don't have a problem. But we are seeing a lot of anti-gun sentiment from the LO in a number of counties in Western NY. The laws have become so convoluted in many states that honest law-abiding people aren't sure what to do.

[trophyhunter]

BC1,
As always I agree with you. I'm just stating what information I was given.adlai Mr.Fowler said that if caught carrying or having a loaded weapon under your restricted status it will be grounds for revokation,or suspension call mr.fowler yourself

[nogods]

Judges can't issue "regulations" in New York State. Neither can they impose additional restrictions on already issued permits without cause as to each individual permit holder.

Judge Boller could impose a restriction on a pistol permit as an an administrative restriction, but he'd have to give notice to every pistol permit holder subject to the restriction. That is easy enough for him to do with future issued permits, he just puts it in the letter of approval.

But for all existing permit holders he would have to notify them that he was further restricting their permits by placing the new restriction on their permits, and he couldn't do that without cause as to each individual permit holder.

either you mis-understood Will Fowler or he is BS'ing you.

[blazemyowntrails]

BC1, What was quoted above was the penal law. That means that criminal charges would not be brought. The restrictions are administrative, so the permit may be revoked.

[trophyhunter]

I didnt misunderstand anything Nogods I repeated word for word what I was told like I said dont DISCREDIT ME call for yourself 716-858-6600

[Aaron Manning]

WOW! Judges in this country really need to learn their place! Separation of powers exists for a reason: to keep one branch of government from being the only authority on any matter. The courts were designed to be the LEAST powerful branch of the three: Legislative, Executive and Judicial; IN THAT ORDER. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that a judge on ANY court can make law or 'regulation'...EVER! That judge needs to be removed from the bench by whatever means available. I don't care what state it is, this is stupid and illegal.

[trophyhunter]

I'm only going to say this one time;
Read what I posted, but remember,none of this is my opionion,or my beliefs.If you have any problems with the Information that I have passed along to you.

Call the Source of the Information.
Mr.Wilmer Fowler Jr. or M William Boller
It really aggravates the hell out of me when I post Credible Information from an Governmental employee,

to be told That I probably Mis-Understood what I was told. Maybe it's you that is Confused I said it several times in original Post I'm only the Messeneger.

If you doubt any of the Information step up to the plate, and Call Mr. Fowler give him your name, and you tell him that maybe he Mis-Understood the Judge, or that you believe he is wrong.

I took the time out of my busy life, to go to Pistol Permit Department to find out exactlly what the Regulations are. From the time I left his office, Until I posted the Information.

I didnt Mis-Understand,post any wrong,or make-up any of the Information.

[golocx4]

I didnt Mis-Understand,post any wrong,or make-up any of the Information.

Thanks for you efforts.
It is just another example of the whole NYS Pistol Permit system being Capricious and Arbitrary.
Put 10 Judges and 10 Lawyers and 10 County Clerks in a room with the Statutes and you will get 30 different opinions of what it says.

[golocx4]

WOW! Judges in this country really need to learn their place! Separation of powers exists for a reason: to keep one branch of government from being the only authority on any matter. The courts were designed to be the LEAST powerful branch of the three: Legislative, Executive and Judicial; IN THAT ORDER. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that a judge on ANY court can make law or 'regulation'...EVER! That judge needs to be removed from the bench by whatever means available. I don't care what state it is, this is stupid and illegal.

The Judaical Branch became the new priesthood. I thought we were doomed based on Judicial Advocacy.
Then I heard Newt talk about history and how to fix the Judicial.

If the Ninth Circuit is not ruling in accordance with the Constitution. Congress (House of Reps) simply cuts off funding for the Ninth Circuit and POOF they cease to exist. (Yes it is that simple and it give new meaning to WE THE PEOPLE.)
You don't think if that happened the rest of the Circuits would straighten up and fly right?
Rule according to the Constitution not you own political bent.