so what changes to NC gun laws do we need next in your opinion?

[mrjam2jab]

Actually drinking and carrying a firearm is not like drinking and driving, it's more like drinking and carrying car keys. Having car keys in your pocket doesn't mean you are driving, have a firearm in it's holster doesn't mean you are shooting. If someone has a few beers at red robin during dinner, I still think they should have the ability to defend themselves in an emergency, just like they should have the ability to drive somewhere in an emergency. Drinking and carrying car keys isn't illegal, why should a firearm be any different?

I don't even drink and I agree with this.

[jg1967]

Self protection is not exactly something you can just hand off. Like calling a cab and have it take you home. Agreed, ideally you should not drink (or at least not get drunk) while you carry.

[misunderstood]

resturant with on premsis and car carry in any place including state parks, educational ( because right now you are not legal have your gun in your car at 90% of hospital parking lots or college campuses)

[mappow]

Actually drinking and carrying a firearm is not like drinking and driving, it's more like drinking and carrying car keys. Having car keys in your pocket doesn't mean you are driving, have a firearm in it's holster doesn't mean you are shooting. If someone has a few beers at red robin during dinner, I still think they should have the ability to defend themselves in an emergency, just like they should have the ability to drive somewhere in an emergency. Drinking and carrying car keys isn't illegal, why should a firearm be any different?

. I know I'll get a ration for this BUT IMHO zero BAC to CC/OC whilst off your own property. Your judgment/emotions are impaired with ingestion of alcohol. IF you feel the need to protect yourself don't drink! If you have a problem with NOT drinking then you may a a problem with drinking. While the key analogy seems to be a good one, you're not normally going to engage in a behavior that requires LIFE/DEATH decision making. I also add that how many of you have driven after knowing that you REALLY shouldn't be behind the wheel. Jus saying, my opinion

[spirit4earth]

No drinking and carrying, but we should be allowed to carry in bar if we're not drinking. I think it does make sense that if you've been given a license for CC, then you should be able to carry everywhere. Open carry, though, is different. I can see how that wouldn't fly in a lot of places. Regarding the previous hunting on Sundays suggestion, I really like the fact that there is NO hunting on Sundays. It's nice to have that day to go hiking without having to worry about stray bullets and the sound of gunfire in the woods.

[NCGunDude]

No drinking and carrying, but we should be allowed to carry in bar if we're not drinking. I think it does make sense that if you've been given a license for CC, then you should be able to carry everywhere. Open carry, though, is different. I can see how that wouldn't fly in a lot of places. Regarding the previous hunting on Sundays suggestion, I really like the fact that there is NO hunting on Sundays. It's nice to have that day to go hiking without having to worry about stray bullets and the sound of gunfire in the woods.

Sunday hunting is allowed on private property. Regardless of what you really like, which really doesn't have anything to do with it, except you have a vote at the polls, the state is losing revenue to bordering states which allow it. If you're planning a hunting trip, are you going somewhere that allows Sunday hunting or doesn't? In the end, I think we'll end up with it, simply because bordering states allow it.

I don't see any problem with it on private property. You're objections, while duly noted, notwithstanding :)

[spirit4earth]

Yep, private property would be the exception. State parks, national forests, etc-----for me it works to have Sunday be a no-hunting day.
I don't know other states' laws---SC and TN have Sunday hunting?

I agree about restaurant carry, movies etc. on the fence about being able to consume alcohol, though. If a beer or two emboldened you just past the point of doing everything possible to avoid using your weapon, it could get very ugly in many ways. Not just for you in court, but for all of us when the backlash tightened legal restraints, rather than what we want, which is expansion.

[BC1]

That's an easy one, restaurant and car carry on educational property.

Absurd law. Can't carry in a restuarant? Even liberal NYS allows carry in bars and restuarants. So much for "shall-issue."

[jg1967]

Absurd law. Can't carry in a restuarant? Even liberal NYS allows carry in bars and restuarants. So much for "shall-issue."

That's the one area where NY beats NC, true. But how many people have permits in NY and how hard are they to get? I am not dissing you, it's a serious question.

[BC1]

That's the one area where NY beats NC, true. But how many people have permits in NY and how hard are they to get? I am not dissing you, it's a serious question.

In a population of 11 million there are 1.3 million CCW permits. Being in the permit business we've handled over 1,800 permits in the past few years with only two denials. Once was a convicted felon. One had pled to a reduced charge from a simple assault. The permit process in NYS follows a specific law. There are no arbitrary denials. Everyone without a past criminal or psych history gets a permit. The process is a little long due to backlog and varies from a few months in lower counties to a year in small upstate counties.

In NY there are no education, training or qualification requirements. Most counties issue an unrestricted permit. Some issue only unrestricted permits (40 miles from NYC). There are no limitations on carry in a bar, under the influence of alcohol, in resturarants, on public transportation, in churches, hospitals, medical offices, banks, cars, etc. The permit is valid for life, no renewals needed. There are no gun control laws waiting to be enacted. The population oves about unmolested by crazy laws.

Those in "shall-issue" states need to know that there is no such thing as a shall-issue state. As in NYS, all have a provision under the law to completely deny certain classes of people. All are simply one election away from newly seated officials exercising the state's right to end all carry (as per fed law). A "shall-issue" state that denies it's permit holders the right to move about freely has placed restrictions on that permit. So they "shall issue" a permit and then restrict where and when.