Out of State CHL

[CarolinaJohn]

From what I am finding out, it is perfectly legal to obtain an out of State CHL and have it be valid in NC. So the question is, since it is so much easier to apply for and obtain an Out of State CHL, why bother getting the North Carolina Licence? After all, they make it difficult to obtain and the wait is ungodly.

Any input?

[PA_SIGpacker]

Originally Posted by CarolinaJohn

From what I am finding out, it is perfectly legal to obtain an out of State CHL and have it be valid in NC. So the question is, since it is so much easier to apply for and obtain an Out of State CHL, why bother getting the North Carolina Licence? After all, they make it difficult to obtain and the wait is ungodly.

Any input?

We had a similar discussion about this on pafao.org. Slightly different situation though. PA licenses are extremely easy to obtain (as long as you can legally carry) and there is no training requirement. Most counties issues them with days or a couple weeks. Some PA counties will even issue them ON THE SPOT. The issue was that the PA license was not recognized in as many states as say a FL permit. Of particular interest was Delaware, a PA border state who recognizes FL permits but not PA permits! So people wanted to carry with just a FL permit. The PA law and reciprocity agreement between PA and FL was somewhat open to interpretation as to whether you had to be a resident of the state which issued your permit. The state police held the position that a PA resident COULD NOT carry in PA with an out of state permit (unless you were in a vehicle, which is spelled out in our law). This prompted many people to request clarification on the matter from the PA Attorney General and lucky for us... he clarified it in writing stating that PA residents CAN carry in PA with a permit issued by another state which has a reciprocity agreement with PA. Good news for us.

After reading the PA/NC agrement, I see one section which may cause uncertainty:

This Reciprocity Agreement applies only to the carrying of firearms by valid license/permit holders from respective states and not to any other types of weapons.

Some people may argue that it mean you must be from the respective state where your permit was issued. I might argue that it means as long as you are from either PA or NC it doesn't matter which permit you have.

So the reason I tell this story is because it sounds like you may have a slightly similar situation in NC which could also be resolved similarly.

Sorry to keep lurking on the NC board..... nobody seems interested in posting on the PA board!!!!!

[CarolinaJohn]

The unfortunate thing is that I cannot get ANYONE from the DOJ or Attorney General's office to respond to my direct questions. The guy that taught the NC CHL class feels that, after scrutiny, it appears that I may carry in North Carolina on my Ohio License as well as the PA and New Hampshire License that I possess as there is nothing that clearly states that I must be a resident of the reciprocal state.

I just do not desire to become a test case.

Like I have said numerous times, nothing gets done fast here, even answering emails.

[dubccat51]

The only problem comes if your address does not match the one on your photo ID. If you get your address on your Concealed Handgun Permits changed to your current NC address then you will be fine because North Carolina does accept any CHP from any state that they have reciprocity with. The only Pro-2a states that do not are FL, SC, WV, NH, MI, KS, CO, but I think most of those states also issue a non-resident CHP.

[CarolinaJohn]

Originally Posted by dubccat51

The only problem comes if your address does not match the one on your photo ID. If you get your address on your Concealed Handgun Permits changed to your current NC address then you will be fine because North Carolina does accept any CHP from any state that they have reciprocity with. The only Pro-2a states that do not are FL, SC, WV, NH, MI, KS, CO, but I think most of those states also issue a non-resident CHP.

I registered changes of address in both PA and Ohio, yet they do not send a modified CHL. I am on record with both States with the change of address.

[dubccat51]

The address on your CHP must match the one on your photo ID otherwise, your gonna get arrested for illegally carrying a concealed weapon. I don't know what to tell you to do besides get an NC CHP if the other states won't send you a CHP with your current address on it.

[CarolinaJohn]

Originally Posted by dubccat51

The address on your CHP must match the one on your photo ID otherwise, your gonna get arrested for illegally carrying a concealed weapon. I don't know what to tell you to do besides get an NC CHP if the other states won't send you a CHP with your current address on it.

If you are LEO, then I am sorry.

But the Local Sheriff told me I was valid. LEO can arrest for just about anything. Same as any day.

[dubccat51]

No, I am not an LEO. If you talked to your sheriff and he said that it was valid then I'm sure it's ok. I just assumed since the information on my drivers license/hunting license, drivers license/NC CHP had to be the same, that Out-of-state CHP's had to also be the same. If an officer did have a problem with it all they would have to do is check with the state your permit was issued in to find out that you did change your address, so you should be fine.

[pakinhevy]

I live in Gaston County, NC. My parents live in SC. I have a TX CHL, from when I lived in TX. The TX CHL is good in NC provided that the address on you driver's license matches the address on your permit. However, I can not carry in SC because they recognize resident CHLs only. Also, it's not a bad idea to obtain a resident license because, currently, the NC CHL is good in states where TX isn't recognized, such as OH and the Virginias.

[LadyFaire]

Personally, I believe that carry permits are like ammo - there is no such thing as having too much! If you can afford to get them from other states, by all means do so! Besides, that all goes into the demographics, you know - all those nasty little numbers regarding who WANTS these nice little laws, who are nice little 'law abiding citizens', etc.

But, as a former LEO, I can tell you this much - if the addresses do NOT match, you are in for a rough time. You might not end up in prison, but you will spend a couple of bad hours (days?) and there is the possibility of you losing your weapon. Purely by accident, of course!! "I do not know how it happened, sir, but we can't find your pistol anywhere!! So sorry!" Or getting it back months later (years?) in terrible condition. It HAS happened, it WILL happen again. There will always be that kind of cop out there, who has to bully or steal or what-have-you. I'm sorry, but it is the truth.

Get the permits! Make sure the addresses match. And MIND YOUR TONGUE when you get stopped or are in an accident. Be nice. No matter what, be nice. And don't give them a reason to take your piece out of your sight.