Muslim Women................SCARY!!!!

[JJFlash]

But when you are brought up in the culture, you feel differently. How many girls in our own Western societies are joining gangs, and being used by the gang members, where initiation is gang rape....and the girls find this acceptable.

Traditionally, Women are the ones who transmit values and civilization to the children. When Women are treated with contempt, there can be no civilization. I agree with Heinlein on this position, Women should never strive for equal rights, they should have superior rights and never settle for merely being equal. As men, we should be the ones fighting the battles for our women and children, Women, you should be the ones making sure we are walking the straight and narrow path. Perhaps I am out of touch.

I'm with you on this, Wolfling, and I'm sure my wife would agree. Then again, I am old and out of touch, I'm sure.

[Sheldon]

But when you are brought up in the culture, you feel differently. How many girls in our own Western societies are joining gangs, and being used by the gang members, where initiation is gang rape....and the girls find this acceptable.
Traditionally, Women are the ones who transmit values and civilization to the children. When Women are treated with contempt, there can be no civilization. I agree with Heinlein on this position, Women should never strive for equal rights, they should have superior rights and never settle for merely being equal. As men, we should be the ones fighting the battles for our women and children, Women, you should be the ones making sure we are walking the straight and narrow path. Perhaps I am out of touch.

less than a percentile and it is by their choice, but live in the middle east and you are 100% Muslim or on a death list...

If the women are in control so much in the home such as the child rearing then why don't they use their bests weapon, education of the young but instead they are bullied, beaten or killed should they try any such heriasy....

[festus]

I can tell you first hand that women are considered property and treated no better than dogs.

We came across a vehicle accident in Saudi Arabia. The adult male and his son both sustained minor injuries.

His wife had life threatening injuries and she died in front of us while Saudi EMT's treated the husband and son first. We the Americans were prohibetd from assisting due to the fact that the Saudi Authorities were already on scene.

It's one hell of a scary world when Sharia Law takes over

[GabbyDP]

But when you are brought up in the culture, you feel differently. How many girls in our own Western societies are joining gangs, and being used by the gang members, where initiation is gang rape....and the girls find this acceptable.

Traditionally, Women are the ones who transmit values and civilization to the children. When Women are treated with contempt, there can be no civilization. I agree with Heinlein on this position, Women should never strive for equal rights, they should have superior rights and never settle for merely being equal. As men, we should be the ones fighting the battles for our women and children, Women, you should be the ones making sure we are walking the straight and narrow path. Perhaps I am out of touch.

As a 19 year old attending college, I more than respect your opinions concerning women. Unfortunately, as you hint to by stating that you are "out of touch", it is very difficult to find men with these values! I'll strive for being equal, the biggest battle in this day and age seems to expect to be treated as anything more than object. I'll stick around for the day that I can walk to my car in the parking lot or into my dorm after a long day of class and trust that some guy isn't going to make a sexually disrespectful comment. Granted, there are some women that further encourage some comments, not that I'm ever one to argue that the women is to blame for being raped as I so often hear, but for all intents and purposes I want to make it clear that I am in fact a woman who does not encourage disrespect.

That being said, your opinions and comments are valued by many

[Sheldon]

As a 19 year old attending college, I more than respect your opinions concerning women. Unfortunately, as you hint to by stating that you are "out of touch", it is very difficult to find men with these values! I'll strive for being equal, the biggest battle in this day and age seems to expect to be treated as anything more than object. I'll stick around for the day that I can walk to my car in the parking lot or into my dorm after a long day of class and trust that some guy isn't going to make a sexually disrespectful comment. Granted, there are some women that further encourage some comments, not that I'm ever one to argue that the women is to blame for being raped as I so often hear, but for all intents and purposes I want to make it clear that I am in fact a woman who does not encourage disrespect.

That being said, your opinions and comments are valued by many

You sound like an intelligent young man but good social skills when not taught by the parents through example must be ingrained the hard way, and there is a little thing called testosterone that influences a lot of thought process in your age category, only good moral upbringing and a spark of for thought with a sprinkle of intelligence can override the call of nature and your base animal instincts.

As you have noted there are some young bulls clustering in packs that will be the first ones on the menu when it comes time to cull the heard... aka they are so interested in the gals they tend to blow off studies and party their future away, you know the ones of who I speak.... They will be asking if you want fries with that the rest of their life's living with mommy n daddy because they cannot afford anything else. These are the ones that blew their chance and end up in dead end jobs or jail down the road. Yes as you have noted some gals tend to encourage it using college campus as hunting ground's for a husband with potential and hence a future with $$$ in it, blame their moms for that...

Which brings us back to the Arabic world it would appear that few of them strive to be much more than primitive animals at the social level on purpose embracing centuries old out molded customs as it engrandure's their stature in the Muslim male dominated society.

[Wolfling68]

As a 19 year old attending college, I more than respect your opinions concerning women. Unfortunately, as you hint to by stating that you are "out of touch", it is very difficult to find men with these values! I'll strive for being equal, the biggest battle in this day and age seems to expect to be treated as anything more than object. I'll stick around for the day that I can walk to my car in the parking lot or into my dorm after a long day of class and trust that some guy isn't going to make a sexually disrespectful comment. Granted, there are some women that further encourage some comments, not that I'm ever one to argue that the women is to blame for being raped as I so often hear, but for all intents and purposes I want to make it clear that I am in fact a woman who does not encourage disrespect.

That being said, your opinions and comments are valued by many

Thank you, both for your words and your commitment to yourself. I commend you for not tolerating the disrespect of others towards you, please encourage your friends to do the same. You are entitled to better. I am a huge fan of the martial arts, as I have seen the confidence in girls and women that comes from throwing a guy twice her size across a room. Confidence and self respect can go a long way towards making the comments meaningless. (check our No Nonsense Self Defense - Reliable information for dangerous situations and have a look on the section on alpha beta behavior, as well as anything else on the site).
One more thing, never settle for being equal, strive for excellence, it will earn you the anger of those around you (who won't keep up), but is totally worth it!!

[GabbyDP]

You sound like an intelligent young man but good social skills when not taught by the parents through example must be ingrained the hard way, and there is a little thing called testosterone that influences a lot of thought process in your age category, only good moral upbringing and a spark of for thought with a sprinkle of intelligence can override the call of nature and your base animal instincts.

As you have noted there are some young bulls clustering in packs that will be the first ones on the menu when it comes time to cull the heard... aka they are so interested in the gals they tend to blow off studies and party their future away, you know the ones of who I speak.... They will be asking if you want fries with that the rest of their life's living with mommy n daddy because they cannot afford anything else. These are the ones that blew their chance and end up in dead end jobs or jail down the road. Yes as you have noted some gals tend to encourage it using college campus as hunting ground's for a husband with potential and hence a future with $$$ in it, blame their moms for that...

Which brings us back to the Arabic world it would appear that few of them strive to be much more than primitive animals at the social level on purpose embracing centuries old out molded customs as it engrandure's their stature in the Muslim male dominated society.

I appreciate the response! I am in fact a young woman, yes there are a select number of us who show an interest in CCW I apologize if I didn't make that clear in my response. That addressed, I feel similarly with regard to many of your statements. Testosterone gets guys every time Maybe I should recant that statement, not EVERY time, the frequency is merely increasing. I personally haven't been able to decipher what has gone wrong, but I am under the assumption that a large part of it results from a lack of proper upbringing and morals. I believe that the community itself can be reflective of that, for example, while I found the occasional disrespectful male in Pennsylvania, they seem innumerous here in Florida! However, I'm sure that is a result of living on a college campus and the specific location of Florida that I am currently living in.

With concern to Arabic beliefs, values, and upbringing, I have to confess that I am unaware of the details. I was raised to be accepting and open to many differing races, traditions, the like, and I do my best to continue living with those morals. What I have heard of thus far as a result of this forum, I of course disagree with the values and practices being taught; however, I am hesitant to comment further without more education or background in the matter.

[GabbyDP]

Thank you, both for your words and your commitment to yourself. I commend you for not tolerating the disrespect of others towards you, please encourage your friends to do the same. You are entitled to better. I am a huge fan of the martial arts, as I have seen the confidence in girls and women that comes from throwing a guy twice her size across a room. Confidence and self respect can go a long way towards making the comments meaningless. (check our No Nonsense Self Defense - Reliable information for dangerous situations and have a look on the section on alpha beta behavior, as well as anything else on the site).
One more thing, never settle for being equal, strive for excellence, it will earn you the anger of those around you (who won't keep up), but is totally worth it!!

It is wonderful to have a discussion concerning respect I can't emphasize how much I appreciate your viewpoint! With regard to martial arts, I will certainly look into the link you suggested. Take care and feel free to share your opinions with me further!

[HK4U]

I appreciate the response! I am in fact a young woman, yes there are a select number of us who show an interest in CCW I apologize if I didn't make that clear in my response. That addressed, I feel similarly with regard to many of your statements. Testosterone gets guys every time Maybe I should recant that statement, not EVERY time, the frequency is merely increasing. I personally haven't been able to decipher what has gone wrong, but I am under the assumption that a large part of it results from a lack of proper upbringing and morals. I believe that the community itself can be reflective of that, for example, while I found the occasional disrespectful male in Pennsylvania, they seem innumerous here in Florida! However, I'm sure that is a result of living on a college campus and the specific location of Florida that I am currently living in.

With concern to Arabic beliefs, values, and upbringing, I have to confess that I am unaware of the details. I was raised to be accepting and open to many differing races, traditions, the like, and I do my best to continue living with those morals. What I have heard of thus far as a result of this forum, I of course disagree with the values and practices being taught; however, I am hesitant to comment further without more education or background in the matter.

I too believe that declining moral values play a large part in what you are talking about as well as much of the other problems that plague society today. I am older, grew up in the 50's and 60's, and can remember when you could pray in school. Every morning there was a time of prayer and reciting the pledge of allegiance. Then sometime in the 60's it became politically incorrect to do those things. I don't think it was just coincidence that the slide of our country started at the same time.