Twenty Reasons Why The U.S. Economy Is Dying And Is Simply Not Going To Recover

[Ringo]

It was much easier in past years to discuss religious issues in the context of secular occurrences. Too bad that is so today, those that don't want to hear that discussion really don't have any idea what you are missing. One thing for sure, the Bible specifies many of the details of the economic status of the world before His return. Both aspects are very relevant to the topic at hand for anyone that would truly like to discuss the issue.

It just goes to show how adamant secular society is in their CHOICE to reject God, not ignorance, CHOICE. You would think that anyone in their right mind and having the I.Q. of room temperature would be willing to hear and discuss the Bible and the volume of prophecy in relation to world current events today. Especially when these prophecy's are happening before their very eyes and can be verified on a daily basis just by reading their newspaper or watching their television. Sad but true Alaska, got to remember that even in the Tribulation period, when God is pouring out His judgment in hopes that they will seek Him and repent, instead they curse God and cry out for the rocks to fall on them to hide them. 2 Timothy 3:1-9 tells it like it is, they don't want to know what they're missing. Yes, too bad that this is so today.

[Cocked _and_Locked]

A group of guys get together and decide they are going to lie about the "Son of God" walking this earth, healing people, bringing some back to life, changing lives 180 degrees, making wine out of water, taking a few into a "heavenly realm" where "they see dead people," then back again into the present. (I'll provide scripture for all these accounts if you want) But... for the sake of argument... they are all in cahouts with one another because they will gain... what? Ok, but lets just say they did. So a Jewish sect called the Sanhedron who run the synagogs for profit have a rule. If someone says they are the Son of God he is to be put to death as well as all his so called followers for "blasphemy" against the Jewish God Jehovah (Adonai). So these guys walk around with Jesus faking the stories of all the miracles so that a few denari's (money more like pennies) get thrown to them, that way they don't have to work for their money. Oh wait, these guy were actually kinda high middle classed. Ranchers, commercial fishermen (who owned boats), a Roman tax collector, and a few other professions other than "bum." So these guys give it all up to follow a liar, get persecuted for it, scourged, beaten, slandered, etc. But let's for argument's sake say that they believed Jesus because they were like some of us here on the board. Let's say they were dumb and gullible. OK, but then the Romans capture Jesus because this Sanhedron is making a big damn fuss and is bugging the crap out of the Roman government officials. So Govenor Pilot says although he doesn't see anything wrong with Jesus, he'll give him a good beating and turn him over to the Jewish big wigs who then crucify Him under Roman guard. (To make absolutely sure he is dead.) So then a few of His followers start thinking Geez, if He was the Son of God why didn't He stop them? Now they are wondering if it was all worth it to carry on this lie. So instead of fading back into society and going back to their careers these geniuses decide to take the lie further and say He rose from the dead. So this pisses off the Sanhedron AND the Roman officials. But it's all worth it because... Anyways, they must have been compulsive liars and just enjoyed lying. But then the Romans start killing his followers when they won't deny that He really was who he said He was. And out of the 12 disciples 11 were murdered for their lies, as well as hundreds of thousands of people across the earth who are all conspiring to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't believe. Does that make any sense? No wonder these "believers" are so touchy. Sheeeesh.

[theicemanmpls]

America’s mainstream religious denominations used to teach the faithful that they would be rewarded in the afterlife. But over the past generation, a different strain of Christian faith has proliferated—one that promises to make believers rich in the here and now. Known as the prosperity gospel, and claiming tens of millions of adherents, it fosters risk-taking and intense material optimism. It pumped air into the housing bubble. And one year into the worst downturn since the Depression, it’s still going strong.

Did Christianity Cause the Crash? - Magazine - The Atlantic

[Alaska444]

A group of guys get together and decide they are going to lie about the "Son of God" walking this earth, healing people, bringing some back to life, changing lives 180 degrees, making wine out of water, taking a few into a "heavenly realm" where "they see dead people," then back again into the present. (I'll provide scripture for all these accounts if you want) But... for the sake of argument... they are all in cahouts with one another because they will gain... what? Ok, but lets just say they did. So a Jewish sect called the Sanhedron who run the synagogs for profit have a rule. If someone says they are the Son of God he is to be put to death as well as all his so called followers for "blasphemy" against the Jewish God Jehovah (Adonai). So these guys walk around with Jesus faking the stories of all the miracles so that a few denari's (money more like pennies) get thrown to them, that way they don't have to work for their money. Oh wait, these guy were actually kinda high middle classed. Ranchers, commercial fishermen (who owned boats), a Roman tax collector, and a few other professions other than "bum." So these guys give it all up to follow a liar, get persecuted for it, scourged, beaten, slandered, etc. But let's for argument's sake say that they believed Jesus because they were like some of us here on the board. Let's say they were dumb and gullible. OK, but then the Romans capture Jesus because this Sanhedron is making a big damn fuss and is bugging the crap out of the Roman government officials. So Govenor Pilot says although he doesn't see anything wrong with Jesus, he'll give him a good beating and turn him over to the Jewish big wigs who then crucify Him under Roman guard. (To make absolutely sure he is dead.) So then a few of His followers start thinking Geez, if He was the Son of God why didn't He stop them? Now they are wondering if it was all worth it to carry on this lie. So instead of fading back into society and going back to their careers these geniuses decide to take the lie further and say He rose from the dead. So this pisses off the Sanhedron AND the Roman officials. But it's all worth it because... Anyways, they must have been compulsive liars and just enjoyed lying. But then the Romans start killing his followers when they won't deny that He really was who he said He was. And out of the 12 disciples 11 were murdered for their lies, as well as hundreds of thousands of people across the earth who are all conspiring to pull the wool over the eyes of those who don't believe. Does that make any sense? No wonder these "believers" are so touchy. Sheeeesh.

Dear Cocked and Locked,

The reliability of a conclusion is only as good as the evidence on which the premise is made. I won't say more than that your conclusion is wrong because your premises are false. If that is what you choose to believe, so be it. However, if anyone else wants to look at the hard evidence, a good book looking at the death and resurrection of Jesus is by Josh McDowell. Evidence that Demands Verdict:

Amazon.com: The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict Fully Updated To Answer The Questions Challenging Christians Today (0020049106884): Josh McDowell: Books

I find the best evidence simply from the Bible itself which contains the record and witness of the Son of God from Genesis to Revelation. Cocked, your premises and conclusions are just not at all based in fact. If you are not going to believe, I would suggest getting the facts correct first. Then if you still wish to believe what you want to believe, then so be it. But do you really want to risk a life separated for all eternity from the only Saviour of mankind for belief in outright lies? Well, many do, but it really is not stable ground to stand upon. I guess to each his own. So be it.

[HK4U]

Dear Cocked and Locked,

The reliability of a conclusion is only as good as the evidence on which the premise is made. I won't say more than that your conclusion is wrong because your premises are false. If that is what you choose to believe, so be it. However, if anyone else wants to look at the hard evidence, a good book looking at the death and resurrection of Jesus is by Josh McDowell. Evidence that Demands Verdict:

Amazon.com: The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict Fully Updated To Answer The Questions Challenging Christians Today (0020049106884): Josh McDowell: Books

I find the best evidence simply from the Bible itself which contains the record and witness of the Son of God from Genesis to Revelation. Cocked, your premises and conclusions are just not at all based in fact. If you are not going to believe, I would suggest getting the facts correct first. Then if you still wish to believe what you want to believe, then so be it. But do you really want to risk a life separated for all eternity from the only Saviour of mankind for belief in outright lies? Well, many do, but it really is not stable ground to stand upon. I guess to each his own. So be it.

I think half cocked and locked has smoked to many of those funny cigarettes. Sooner or later the brain cells go.

[Alaska444]

America’s mainstream religious denominations used to teach the faithful that they would be rewarded in the afterlife. But over the past generation, a different strain of Christian faith has proliferated—one that promises to make believers rich in the here and now. Known as the prosperity gospel, and claiming tens of millions of adherents, it fosters risk-taking and intense material optimism. It pumped air into the housing bubble. And one year into the worst downturn since the Depression, it’s still going strong.

Did Christianity Cause the Crash? - Magazine - The Atlantic

While many evidences of false gospels are repleat in America and around the world, make no mistake, there are still many old fashioned Christians just like me and Ringo and others who simply believe what the Bible says and try to practice it as best as this frail flesh will allow. The Bible lives on and always shall.

In addition, government policies caused the crash in conjunction with the Federal Reserve which is actually a privately owned bank that tells our government what to do. Blaming the Christians for the crash is just the same talk as Nero blaming the Christians for burning Rome when he was the one that caused it for his own personal gain. We have come full circle, from Nero to the Atlantic Magazine, I guess we must be the ones to blame. When do you start feeding us to the lions?

[Cocked _and_Locked]

Based simply on the fact that approximately 75% of the population claims Christian belief of one form or another, it logically follows that Christians caused the recession.

And the habit of eating has been found to be 100% responsible for death, statistically speaking.

[Alaska444]

Based simply on the fact that approximately 75% of the population claims Christian belief of one form or another, it logically follows that Christians caused the recession.

And the habit of eating has been found to be 100% responsible for death, statistically speaking.

Dear Cocked and Locked, the fallacy of your thinking is that the Bible teaches fiscal conservativism, not the false gospel of prosperity. As far as what the Bible calls a Christian, is limited to only those that are born again, a decidedly small minority in America. Many are called, few are chosen. So, once again, your conclusions are false because your premises are false. Greed caused the so called crash which took place because of government policies on banking and by the Fed altering the interest rates. What part of biblical Christianity did such a thing? Once again, from Nero to the Atlantic, the Christians and Jews have been the scapegoat of more than one society that rejects the truth of God's Holy word. With your reasoning, since there ar more women than men in America, it is the womans fault as well. Likewise, since there are more caucasions than red, brown, or yellow, then the white folks of America caused the crash.

[Cocked _and_Locked]

With your reasoning, since there ar more women than men in America, it is the womans fault as well. Likewise, since there are more caucasions than red, brown, or yellow, then the white folks of America caused the crash.

Yes, by that reasoning this is true. Sorry you didn't get the joke.

[theicemanmpls]

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