The Deadly Passage of the All-American Canal

[theicemanmpls]

Immigration isn't the issue. ILLEGAL immigration is. If you want to come here do it the right way. I'm not saying the immigration system doesn't need an overhaul but that is a separate discussion. Perhaps that can be done with the funds that will open up after we get the strain off the system that all the illegal immigrants put on it.

Wasn't it little Bush who suggested a guest worker program?
They come to america, pick my tomato's, then go back home, Repeat. WIN WIN.

[Cocked _and_Locked]

So, whats the problem?

The problem with this particular story is spinning accounts of accidental drownings into a political football. Regrettable on all counts, to be sure. But obviously a political diemma. Would making the canal safer to cross change the story?

The economy CAN find an acceptable equilibrium WITHOUT Mexican labor. The problem is the market has not been afforded this opportunity by greedy businessmen and their government lackeys.

Push has come to shove. It remains to be seen who throws the first punch, etc...

[utimmer43]

+1. Some very good points but unfortunately I am dubious about it ever happening because I think that is the whole Marxist plan in this country. In other words they want to destroy the middle class. Everything you suggested is not rocket science. Anyone with half a brain should be able to figure it out so if the bureaucrats are not doing it then it is obvious they don't want to fix the problem.

Be that as it may, it doesn't mean that we just give in. In fact, it makes it even more crucial that we fight tooth and nail to oppose any further erosion of our sovereignty. I know you aren't suggesting we give up. But it does seem that some people try to use our current messed up situation as a legitimate reason to support additional bad policy.

Wasn't it little Bush who suggested a guest worker program?
They come to America, pick my tomato's, then go back home, Repeat. WIN WIN.

You erroneously assume that everyone here was a raving Bush fan who thought he did no wrong for 8 years. I'm sure you cannot think of anyone with whom you agree 100% of the time (besides yourself). Bush was OK in some regards, and horrendous in others (many others). This is one such area, and you may recall that the guest worker program failed to pass. (largely due to opposition from people like us)

Also, again I ask, do you support or oppose minimum wages laws? Either viewpoint conflicts with a guest worker program.

If you support minimum wage, as do the vast majority of the supporters of migrant workers (and remember, Bush passed a minimum wage increase) then it seems rather hypocritical to support a program whereby the workers would receive less than minimum.

If you do not believe in minimum wage, then would it not make more sense to oppose "migrant workers" coming here to work when we already have millions of our own citizens who are out of work? Would it not make more sense instead to support the elimination of minimum wages laws?

Bringing in foreigners for cheap labor is like attempting to cure an infected hangnail by cutting off the finger. As I stated before, the solution isn't to bring in more people, because we don't have a shortage of people in the first place. Instead, let's make it LEGAL and DESIRABLE for our own citizens to do the work. As with anything else, get the government out of the way and the market will take care of the rest.

[mappow]

An epiphany has just struck. Relocate gators from Florida to the canal. The environmental impact would benefit both States.

As for the loss of crops, we're still inside the box are we? Rationalizing monetary loss against national security. That type of thinking along with pandering for votes has cost us (Americans) more then any filed in the San Joaquin valley. Unfortunately, most do not want to feel the pain that it will take to turn this Country back around. IMO We have past the last marker and some bastardized form of Socialism will finish devouring the US.

Keep your Powder dry my friends, I fear it'll happen in our Life time and I'll go down fighting!


"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." --author and philosopher Ayn Rand (1905-1982)

[theicemanmpls]

Be that as it may, it doesn't mean that we just give in. In fact, it makes it even more crucial that we fight tooth and nail to oppose any further erosion of our sovereignty. I know you aren't suggesting we give up. But it does seem that some people try to use our current messed up situation as a legitimate reason to support additional bad policy.

You erroneously assume that everyone here was a raving Bush fan who thought he did no wrong for 8 years. I'm sure you cannot think of anyone with whom you agree 100% of the time (besides yourself). Bush was OK in some regards, and horrendous in others (many others). This is one such area, and you may recall that the guest worker program failed to pass. (largely due to opposition from people like us)

Also, again I ask, do you support or oppose minimum wages laws? Either viewpoint conflicts with a guest worker program.

If you support minimum wage, as do the vast majority of the supporters of migrant workers (and remember, Bush passed a minimum wage increase) then it seems rather hypocritical to support a program whereby the workers would receive less than minimum.

If you do not believe in minimum wage, then would it not make more sense to oppose "migrant workers" coming here to work when we already have millions of our own citizens who are out of work? Would it not make more sense instead to support the elimination of minimum wages laws?

Bringing in foreigners for cheap labor is like attempting to cure an infected hangnail by cutting off the finger. As I stated before, the solution isn't to bring in more people, because we don't have a shortage of people in the first place. Instead, let's make it LEGAL and DESIRABLE for our own citizens to do the work. As with anything else, get the government out of the way and the market will take care of the rest.

utimmer, I don't have an answer to your question.
Having grown up in a farming town in the San Joaquin valley, one learns "how things are".
Life is dictated by way the California Growers Association wants it. ADM, Cargil, and other agra giants are key players. These wealthy corporations carry politicians around in their pockets like so many nickles and dimes. (To paraphrase Vito Corleone)
The way it has been, the way it is, and the way it will be is:Migrant workers harvest the crops of the great valley's of California. Workers were imported from asia at first. Then came the Mexicans.
The only exception to this way of life was during the dust bowls of the great depression. The dust bowl condition was caused by improper farming practices. The mexicans were displaced by the okies during that time.

IMO, the canal is a good and bad thing. Good cause it is a barrier to illegals. Bad, because it drowns children.

Read the book, "the grapes of wrath" It is better then the movie.


http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/afctshtml/tsme.html



http://omss.ssc.hawaii.edu/filipino/.../strugcal.html



The first migrants to U.S.



http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/afctshtml/tsme.html



The Grapes of Wrath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[SC Tiger]

Wasn't it little Bush who suggested a guest worker program?
They come to america, pick my tomato's, then go back home, Repeat. WIN WIN.

Completely irrelevant to this topic. If they are in a legal guest worker program, the come across at a legal passage, do the work and then go home via a legal passage. They don't have to cross the canal.

[rsdonb]

How about passage of an Arizona type bill in every state....