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    My favorite author Robert E. Heinlein wrote a few things on that subject. He had a feeling both Democracy and the US would eventually falter. His main points were (very roughly) like this (with some additions of myself mixed in):

    - Democracy has deteriorated to a game show, more about smiling and kissing babies than message. You need enormous wealth to get in. On the top, the people that run the show have nothing at all in common with ordinary working people of the middle class.
    - Unpopular but necessary steps can never be taken because somebody worried about getting re-elected simply can not afford to
    - A country will fall apart when people start feeling more like "Floridians", "Hispanics" or you name any other faction that Americans first and start making decisions based on this.

    Specifically the latter can easily be observed ... am I too worried or is there something to it?

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    Your worried? Welcome to the club. The above is true.

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    The vast Roman empire came to crumbling ruins due to the socialism of the day. People flocked to cities for the handouts and not enough agriculture/productivity existed to support the masses, along with a tax structure that further eroded desire to be productive.

    Just as the "forever lasting" Roman empire came to an end so will ours one day. Yes, it's a negative view but it's been predicted my not only those who study history but by history itself.

    So what will take our place? I dunno, maybe one big happy koom-bah-ya world with no borders and a sea of happy and contented people? ...yeah, right.
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    I fly my home state flag and have given up on the union surviving. I love the USA with all of my heart, bur sometimes we lose the ones we love.

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    The founding fathers created a representative government not a democracy because they knew from history a democracy would not last. Unfortunately when the Constituiton is not followed or redefined to fit your agenda, the end game is the same.
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    As Winston Churchill once said: "Democracy is the worst form of government.......except for all the rest."

    What Heinlein described has been happening since day 1 of this country's existence. 235 yrs and it still hasn't collapsed. Doomsayers have been spouting as much for 235 yrs. Nothing is permanent except change, and the USA will one day come to an end. It may be in 100 yrs or maybe in 10,000 yrs, but it will happen eventually. That's when the doomsayers will say "See! I told you!" and all that will be proven is that even a broken clock is correct 2 times a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B2Tall View Post
    As Winston Churchill once said: "Democracy is the worst form of government.......except for all the rest."

    Nothing is permanent except change, and the USA will one day come to an end.
    I can't help but ask -- how is change working for those that voted the occupant of the WH now? Your vote carried us all with your momentary stupidity. Excuse my French!
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    Quote Originally Posted by agrippakc:231677
    I fly my home state flag and have given up on the union surviving. I love the USA with all of my heart, bur sometimes we lose the ones we love.
    It is like my grandmother who , thanks to senility, in her last days went from being the sweetest most gentle, yet strong, woman on the face of the Earth to a bitter old woman.

    I can say I love this country, but she is no longer who I fell in love with. I will continue to stand by her in memory of who she was, and look for the good that is still in her. I will hope and pray until the end that she will recover, but I fully expect and am planning for her death.

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    I love this country!! The good bad and the ugly!!! Love hurts sometimes people let's try to pull OUR country together and stop pulling it apart!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker's Mom View Post
    I can't help but ask -- how is change working for those that voted the occupant of the WH now? Your vote carried us all with your momentary stupidity. Excuse my French!
    It working out great! Like teats on a Bull, like a Leach on it's Host. Like a hemmoroid on a sphincter mussel. We need to start seeing demonstrations here like they do in Greece, where the youth, the communist indoctrinated punks, hang manicans from a rope of business owners.

    If only they paid their fair share. Dirty rotten, scum bag business owners, just don't get it, need to pay there fair share.
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