Social Security Numbers and the BATFE

[Gordon Shumway]

NAVYLDCR
Thank you for confirming, in writing by linking the statuate, that the phone-in check is NOT mandatory in all states.

I personally know a 14 year BATFE agent, one who audits FFL dealers, and he says that a security clearance is required by the agency.


DANA, do you finally understand this?

[NavyLCDR]

I personally know a 14 year BATFE agent, one who audits FFL dealers, and he says that a security clearance is required by the agency.

That might very well be true. There are many levels of security clearances below Top Secret. Top Secret is reserved for Containing information whose unauthorized disclosure would pose the gravest threat to national security

[dcselby1]

We don't need it to vote, do we? Somebody ought to talk to Holder.

[Dana1956]

I understand that in Ohio it is madatory because in Ohio is where I sell guns.

[The Realist]

There are only three security classifications and they are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret PERIOD. There are not a multitude of security levels. What confuses people is that even if you have a top secret clerance you must also have "a need to know", just because you have a top secret clearance does not mean you can look at anything classified.

[Wyldekard]

We don't need it to vote, do we? Somebody ought to talk to Holder.

I had a secret clearance when I was active duty. You fill out forms with specific information. People showed up in my home town (home of record) and talked to people to find out about me (good amount of tax dollars). I've worked with people who had top secret while I was active duty. People showed up everywhere they had put down on their forms and checked out everything there was to find about them anywhere they had to go to find out(huge amount of tax dollars). I worked with people who could not / would not talk about certain things they did 20 years in the past and they were no longer active duty, under penalty of law (top secret has levels). You get a confidencial clearance in the Army for not shooting yourself in the foot in basic training and you can sign your name. I doubt if those things have changed all that much.

[The Realist]

Not true anymore. Security clearance is only good as long as you are with the unit where it was granted, plus you must be serving in a capicity where a clearance is required.

[Wyldekard]

Not true anymore. Security clearance is only good as long as you are with the unit where it was granted, plus you must be serving in a capicity where a clearance is required.

Are you sure about that? I went from Monteith Barracks, Germany to Fort Rucker, Alabama without any change in my clearance. I didn't change my MOS, didn't get in any trouble that would cause a revocation, and both places I worked required a secret clearance. While the massive waste of money by the military would not surprise me, the duplication of effort would. If it did happen, it was completely without my knowlege and couldn't have been more than a rubber stamp paperwork drill. I should have pointed out in my earlier post that I can only refer to my experiences in the Army. I have no familiarity with any other branch of the service in this regard.

[The Realist]

Wyldekard as you said rubberstamp paper work drill. Since you went straight from one unit where you needed and had a clearance to another unit where you needed a clearance all the original effort did not have to be duplicated. A cursory check to ensure that nothing had changed would suffice, but your new unit would have had to sign off for you to keep/reaquire your clearance.