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It's not required when you fill out a 4473. You can if you want to, but you don't have to.
Social Security Numbers and the BATFE Ever notice how many places REQUIRE you to give your SSN? Not just ask, but require it.
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Agents for the BATFE, federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives are REQUIRED to have a "top secret clearance" because they look at gun owner's paperwork which has the SSN of the applicant.
(Straight from an agent's mouth.) Fact/ Confirmed
This week I was renewing my post office mailbox rent, and the post master told me that even she is not allowed to see anyone's SSN, and they don't ask for it.
I also confirmed that IRS employees are required to have TSC.
Now, why does every business demand that we list SSN on paperwork? Everything from bank accounts, investments, job applications, H&R Block, etc.
What if someone gets into your file and steals your SSN?
Why would you give your SSN to a anyone?
I guess it only matters to you if you have had identity theft.
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It's not required when you fill out a 4473. You can if you want to, but you don't have to.
"There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period."T.Nugent
The last few times I have purchased firearms, the dealer only required the last four digits of my ssn.
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Now, why does every business demand that we list SSN on paperwork? Everything from bank accounts, investments, job applications, H&R Block, etc.
Banks, investment brokers, and H&R Block require your SSAN because they are handling financial transactions for you in one way, shape, or form. There are certain reporting criteria for banks and financial professionals. H&R Block needs it to fill out your federal tax filing, and state, too, if you elect to do both with them. Job applications need the information so they can do an e-Verify (those that do that) to see if you are eligable for a job in the U.S. After you are hired, the job provider needs your SSAN for tax reporting purposes for W-2 and other paperwork. Some employers also act as a financial agent when setting up your 401(K) or other retirement program. Everyone else that wants to see the SSAN can go away still WANTING.
I don't carry a gun to kill someone. I carry a gun to avoid being a victim! Gary
Please tell me you did not believe them. Military pay clerks have access to every social security number of every member of their particular branch of service + DOB + address + phone number and require nothing more than the basic background check required for entry into the service - about the same as a kindergarten school teacher.Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway
I have access to everyone's social security number in my command + driver's license numbers, state and expiration + DOB + address and phone number. I am not required to have a TS security clearance.
I am not anti-cop, I am pro-Constitution.
I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice. Fed. Law states that States can require the ss# for drivers license and other things to go after dead beat parents for child support. The number is coming off the Military ID card. I have a new ID card and it is not on it. Will take about 4 years for it to be off all cards.
Spent about 20 minutes in jail for not wearing the seat belt and refusing to pay the fine. Jailer was highly upset when I would not give my ss number. Showed him the law.He was pissed, smiles. Asked him if he wanted to talk to a federal judge.
DISCLOSURE OF SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS
PL 93-579 CH 7 (FEDERAL PRIVACY ACT)
It shall be unlawful for any federal, state or local government agency to deny to any individual any right, benefit or privilege provided by law because of such individuals refusal to disclose his social security number.
The provisions of above shall not apply to any disclosure which is required by Federal Statute.
Any Federal, State or local government agency which requests an individual to disclose his social security number shall inform that individual whether that disclosure is mandatory or voluntary. By what statutory such number is solicited and what uses will be made of it.
FEDERAL FELONY
42 U.S.C. 408
Whoever discloses, uses or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws of the United States; shall be quilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18 U.S.C. or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
18 U.S.C. 124 Conspiracy Against Rights.
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate any person in any state, territory, commonwealth, possession, or in the District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States or because of his having so exercised the same, Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
I have a copy of this in my wallet to show. This usualy shuts them up.
Especialy public schools.
Did you mean to say that States can NOT require the SS# for driver's licenses and other things? You wrote CAN require, but that seems to conflict with the Federal statute that you posted. Thank you for posting the Federal statute too!
I am not anti-cop, I am pro-Constitution.
I think it is usc 42 where states can require the ss# in order to get drivers license so they can go after dead beat parents that do not pay child support. States that were not requiring the ss# could not make that number public, could only use to go after dead beat parents. During his last year in the White House signed a bill out lawing the states use of the ss# as an identifier on drivers licenses and ID cards. States,counties and cities now have to redact the ss# and other personal info on official documents before they can give/sell them Also reread pl93-579 that I posted
AGAIN I AM NOT A LAWYER, BUT I CAN READ
Good luck getting your next gun if you refuse. I agree, it is and should be illegal. But again, good luck, and I mean it sincerely.
I think you mean USC title 18 chapter 13 241 must be a typo lol. Don't forget USC 18, 13,242 and Title 42 1983 civil lawsuit for same.
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