Obama's Czars

[CharlieK]

Here's some original research for you. Took me about twenty minutes.

The list is crap, quite honestly.

For starters, in the United States, the informal political term "czar" or "tsar" is employed in media and popular usage to refer to high-level officials who oversee a particular policy. There have never been any U.S. government offices with the title "czar", but various governmental officials have sometimes been referred to by the nickname "czar" rather than their actual title.

The use of the term goes back to 1934, and FDR. Here's a list of presidents and the "czars" they appointed.

Richard Holbrooke doesn't do anything for anyone anymore. He died in 2010. He was previously special adviser on Pakistan and Afghanistan under Obama, but had also served various State Department positions under Clinton and Carter. Richard Holbrooke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Also, Richard Holbrooke was never governor of New Mexico, as stated by Oldgrunt

[BluesStringer]

Here's some original research for you. Took me about twenty minutes.

The list is crap, quite honestly.

For starters, in the United States, the informal political term "czar" or "tsar" is employed in media and popular usage to refer to high-level officials who oversee a particular policy. There have never been any U.S. government offices with the title "czar", but various governmental officials have sometimes been referred to by the nickname "czar" rather than their actual title.

The use of the term goes back to 1934, and FDR. Here's a list of presidents and the "czars" they appointed.

Richard Holbrooke doesn't do anything for anyone anymore. He died in 2010. He was previously special adviser on Pakistan and Afghanistan under Obama, but had also served various State Department positions under Clinton and Carter. Richard Holbrooke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeff Crowley is Director of the Office of National AIDS Policy. I don't see a problem with someone who has a Masters in Public Health heading up that office. And this being 2012, I really fail to see what anyone's sexual preference has to do with their ability to do a job. Jeffrey Crowley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

David J. Hayes is the Deputy Secretary of the Interior in the Obama administration. Hardly a "Czar." He was vice-chair of American Rivers. Nope, no water-management experience there. David J. Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Progressive Policy Institute is not a "radical environmentalist group."

Gil Kerlikowske was indeed the Seattle Police chief for a time. He opposed a 2003 ballot measure that downgraded marijuana possession priority. Pretty radical. In almost every public statement he's made since he took office, he is on record as opposing the legalization of drugs. BTW, the president who created the Office of National Drug Control Policy? That radical Ronald Reagan. The bill that created it was sponsored by...a Democrat.

Also, Richard Holbrooke was never governor of New Mexico, as stated by Oldgrunt

Wow. Glad you focused like a laser beam on the really important information in this thread.

Why would anyone waste a word or give a second thought to an official of the US government who is tasked with keeping schools "safe" in this country being an active promoter of the sex act known as "fisting" to pre-teen school children? Man, the board has been saved from being exposed to an erroneous factoid about a dead Czar though! Thanks Charlie!


And cmhbob, I didn't notice before, but upon reviewing your links, I find it rather intellectually lazy and dishonest of you to state that "the list is crap," and then follow that statement with a cut-and-paste job that you didn't attribute to its source, and actively tried to pass off as your own by adding the words, "For starters..." in front of it. And you even claim it's "original research!" Perhaps just an honest oversight on your part, but bad form in any case.

How on Earth anyone can defend or ignore the czars in any administration in general, but the gaggle of miscreants, perverts and self-avowed Marxists in this administration specifically, is beyond me. So Oldgrunt's email wasn't quite perfectly accurate. So what really? Were the parts that are accurate any less troubling because of the presence of inaccuracies in it? Did I get anything wrong? And if you claim I did, is it anything relative to what makes the three czars that I highlighted completely irresponsible of Obama to put anywhere near the seats of power in this country?

And now Obama has bypassed the confirmation process again by recess appointing Richard Cordray to head up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau when the Senate wasn't even in recess. More Czartastic maneuvering from the Marxist In Chief, eh?

Blues

[cmhbob]

And cmhbob, I didn't notice before, but upon reviewing your links, I find it rather intellectually lazy and dishonest of you to state that "the list is crap," and then follow that statement with a cut-and-paste job that you didn't attribute to its source, and actively tried to pass off as your own by adding the words, "For starters..." in front of it. And you even claim it's "original research!"

Holy crap! Someone actually read the links I posted!

[BluesStringer]

Holy crap! Someone actually read the links I posted!

If that's all you've got, why did you even post in this thread? Obviously not for accuracy's sake, as you make a joke about plagiarizing another author's words. That's amazing. Disgustingly amazing.

Blues

[CharlieK]

Wow. Glad you focused like a laser beam on the really important information in this thread.

Why would anyone waste a word or give a second thought to an official of the US government who is tasked with keeping schools "safe" in this country being an active promoter of the sex act known as "fisting" to pre-teen school children? Man, the board has been saved from being exposed to an erroneous factoid about a dead Czar though! Thanks Charlie!
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Blues

Blues,
Thank you for your insightful and inciteful comment. I trust that it felt really good when you pulled it out of your ass. What did I say that had anything to do with sexual perverts?

[BluesStringer]

Blues,
Thank you for your insightful and inciteful comment. I trust that it felt really good when you pulled it out of your ass. What did I say that had anything to do with sexual perverts?

That's just it, you said nothing about the pervert highlighted in the post just above yours, Kevin Jennings. "Why would anyone waste a word or give a second thought to" such a pervert, who is, and has been for about 3 years now, a chief adviser to Obama on "safe schools." It struck me as avoidance towards the important issues in the thread so that you could just take a really trivial dig at Oldgrunt for a meaningless inaccuracy in his OP. You ignored the sexual pervert issue in favor of being petty, that's what I meant, and I pulled it out of your post, not out of my ass.

Blues

[CharlieK]

That's just it, you said nothing about the pervert highlighted in the post just above yours, Kevin Jennings. "Why would anyone waste a word or give a second thought to" such a pervert, who is, and has been for about 3 years now, a chief adviser to Obama on "safe schools." It struck me as avoidance towards the important issues in the thread so that you could just take a really trivial dig at Oldgrunt for a meaningless inaccuracy in his OP. You ignored the sexual pervert issue in favor of being petty, that's what I meant, and I pulled it out of your post, not out of my ass.

Blues

Oh, I'm soooo sooorrry that I didn't comment on what you wanted me to comment on. I guess I was mistaken in thinking that I was making MY post, not YOURS. My mistake, and it won't happen again.

For your information, my philosophy (and I do have a doctor of philosophy degree) is that when I see someone's writing and notice something so very blatantly and obviously wrong, I tend not to read anything else in that writing; so I didn't.

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[BluesStringer]

Oh, I'm soooo sooorrry that I didn't comment on what you wanted me to comment on. I guess I was mistaken in thinking that I was making MY post, not YOURS. My mistake, and it won't happen again.

For your information, my philosophy (and I do have a doctor of philosophy degree) is that when I see someone's writing and notice something so very blatantly and obviously wrong, I tend not to read anything else in that writing; so I didn't.

pilii .... iiliq

Something I said about the Czars was wrong, or about your post(s)? If it was about the Czars, please do enlighten us. If it was about your post, I don't see how saying that it "struck" me a certain way could conceivably be "so very blatantly and obviously wrong." I purposely left an opening for you to correct my impression if warranted. Apparently your doctorate justifies you getting pissy rather than explaining what you consider to be wrong with something I said. Kind of weird on a "discussion" forum though, whether one has a doctorate or is a high school drop-out. Oh well, piss on if you prefer....

Blues

[CharlieK]

Something I said about the Czars was wrong, or about your post(s)? If it was about the Czars, please do enlighten us. If it was about your post, I don't see how saying that it "struck" me a certain way could conceivably be "so very blatantly and obviously wrong." I purposely left an opening for you to correct my impression if warranted. Apparently your doctorate justifies you getting pissy rather than explaining what you consider to be wrong with something I said. Kind of weird on a "discussion" forum though, whether one has a doctorate or is a high school drop-out. Oh well, piss on if you prefer....

Blues

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