Firearms Instructor Arrested

[Rich_S]

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SLED: Gun Instructor Shortened Course, Gave Answers - Greenville News Story - WYFF Greenville

[NavyLCDR]

Anybody know any outcomes of this:

In addition to Wykel's criminal charges, all of his students that previously applied for and received Concealed Weapons Permits, and have not completed an eight-hour training class are subject to perjury charges under Sec. 16-9-10 for the falsification of the application proces.

All those "criminals" should be brought to justice as well, no?

[BC1]

According to SLED, an undercover agent attended Wykel’s concealed weapons permit class on Jan. 8.

SLED says CWP classes are required by law to be eight hours, must include classroom instruction and firing for handgun qualification.

Anti-gun witch hunt. So SC denies permits to persons who don't pass the class?

[NavyLCDR]

Anti-gun witch hunt. So SC denies permits to persons who don't pass the class?

How do you figure it is an anti-gun witch hunt? We all know, on this forum, how important it is to be properly trained to carry a concealed handgun, don't we? Why wouldn't SC deny the permit to a person who didn't pass the class legitimately? Aren't the people who can't pass the class a danger to society if they are allowed to carry a concealed handgun?

If you are going to support mandatory government training, then you have to support the consequences for not obtaining the proper mandatory training, right? It's a matter of public safety, not to mention all those police officers who want to go home safe to their families at the end of the shift.

Those are things I've been told on this forum, anyway. The views expressed in this post may not reflect the views of the author.

[jhodge83]

Anti-gun witch hunt. So SC denies permits to persons who don't pass the class?

uhh...yes. if you were here and you gave permits to people that either failed the written test or failed the shooting qualification, i'd hope you were in the same situation as this guy. if you can't pass the easy test and shooting, you don't need to carry. what it amounts to is this guy was a lazy POS and didn't want to properly instruct the folks IAW SC law.

[BC1]

How do you figure it is an anti-gun witch hunt? We all know, on this forum, how important it is to be properly trained to carry a concealed handgun, don't we? Why wouldn't SC deny the permit to a person who didn't pass the class legitimately? Aren't the people who can't pass the class a danger to society if they are allowed to carry a concealed handgun?

If you are going to support mandatory government training, then you have to support the consequences for not obtaining the proper mandatory training, right? It's a matter of public safety, not to mention all those police officers who want to go home safe to their families at the end of the shift.

Those are things I've been told on this forum, anyway. The views expressed in this post may not reflect the views of the author.

This is in-your-face gun control. I don't support mandatory "GOVERNMENT" training. Are constitutional rights to be violated because someone isn't a good shot? That's just not a good enough reason to deny a permit. The process in SC is bad.

[nogods]

How do you figure it is an anti-gun witch hunt? We all know, on this forum, how important it is to be properly trained to carry a concealed handgun, don't we? Why wouldn't SC deny the permit to a person who didn't pass the class legitimately? Aren't the people who can't pass the class a danger to society if they are allowed to carry a concealed handgun?

If you are going to support mandatory government training, then you have to support the consequences for not obtaining the proper mandatory training, right? It's a matter of public safety, not to mention all those police officers who want to go home safe to their families at the end of the shift.

Those are things I've been told on this forum, anyway. The views expressed in this post may not reflect the views of the author.

I agree. If pre-licensing qualifications exist then doing an end run around them should be prosecuted.

In NYS we only have to take a 3-hour handgun safety course, and those without pistol permits (which is everyone in the class other than the instructor) are prohibited by law from touching a handgun.

So in NYS the typical pre-licensing pistol permit course consist of get about 30 minutes of demonstration of safe gun handling by the instructor, then 2 hours of videos of DEA officers and others shooting themselves, then 30 minutes for breaks and a final quiz.

The hunter safety course is way more intense.

[BC1]

uhh...yes. if you were here and you gave permits to people that either failed the written test or failed the shooting qualification, i'd hope you were in the same situation as this guy. if you can't pass the easy test and shooting, you don't need to carry. what it amounts to is this guy was a lazy POS and didn't want to properly instruct the folks IAW SC law.

If pigs had wings they'd be birds. I wouldn't be in that situation. Neither I nor the instructor in question give anyone a permit. We don't make that decision. My complaint is not in favor of the instructor it's against the anti-gun position of SC.

NYS does not have a statutory requirement for training. Some counties have traditionally handed out permits with no proof of such. Even in counties who require a safety orientation there is no qualification requirement and no test to be passed.

[jhodge83]

This is in-your-face gun control. Are constitutional rights to be violated because someone isn't a good shot? That's just not a good enough reason to deny a permit. The process in SC is bad.

haha...so you want someone who can't even hit a torso at 12 yds to be allowed to carry? you are more brave than i.

[jhodge83]

If pigs had wings they'd be birds. I wouldn't be in that situation. Neither I nor the instructor in question give anyone a permit. We don't make that decision. My complaint is not in favor of the instructor it's against the anti-gun position of SC.

making sure people are properly qualified to make the decisions that go with concealed carrying and actually being able to shoot a gun are not anti-gun. it's keeping bystanders and everyone else safe from dumbasses with loaded weapons.