Are you a Protector?

[Shoobee]

My CZ 97B 45ACP is a protector in the cityscape.

And my Smith & Wesson model 29 is a protector in the forests and mountains of California.

:D

[Shoobee]

What is wrong with you people. Being a protector is the sign of being one of God's people.

There are Wolves and There are Sheep.

Like the picture shows,

I AM A SHEEPDOG..

I am a lone wolf. Nothing against the sheep. Nothing against the sheepdogs.

Yay though I walk thru the valley of the shadow of death I fear on evil, for I am the most heavily armed mother loving son in the valley.

:D

[eagleeyes]

i think if we all strived to be the 'protector' as described in the topic definition ..........the world would be a much different place for the better no doubt

[Shoobee]

i think if we all strived to be the 'protector' as described in the topic definition ..........the world would be a much different place for the better no doubt

I'm not sure. Zimmerman thought he was protecting when he was really paranoid, profiling, and off his meds at the worst possible time.

[eagleeyes]

shoobie doobie dooo i still love you but
we don't know if he was paranoid profiling or on meds do we??
as far as i'm concerned he was looking out for his community and was watching tray and tray decided to go ghetto on him and he got shot in doing so

[Stan45]

To be perfectly honest “sheep dogs” scare me, they strike me as the type of person that is carrying a gun just waiting for a chance to be “a hero”. It’s been my experience that people that want to be heroes tend to blow a situation out of proportion in their quest to fulfill the “sheep dog” role.

Grossman’s “Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves” was mainly directed at professional soldiers and police officers it was never intended to be a Raison d'être for concealed carry permit holders. It’s an analogy and like all analogies its flawed and you don’t have to take it too far to find the flaws.

Grossman gives lectures in many gun clubs around the country, may I suggest that attend on of his lectures. You will have a different opinion after hearing his lecture.

[Treo]

Grossman gives lectures in many gun clubs around the country, may I suggest that attend on of his lectures. You will have a different opinion after hearing his lecture.

No I won't I assure you

There actually are some good points in your first post. I go to church, I donate to the food bank, I try to be nice to the neighbors, I'm more than happy to help some old lady change a tire and I have no problem with calling the police if needed but that’s where it ends.

I see too many people who get a permit and suddenly think they’re Joe Friday, that’s kinda scary to me. I said it in the post you quoted but a lot of those folks come off to me like they can not wait to spring into action and be a hero, like they still live in fantasy land.

If you look around this forum you’ll find that most of the “sheep dogs” are a little on the authoritarian side, they’re generally the same folks that tell you, you should waive your rights any time you interact with the cops. “After all you have nothing to hide”.

I also see a lot of self proclaimed “sheep dogs” beating their chests right here on this forum and condemning anyone who doesn’t share their world view as a coward or an anti social psychopath.

Thanks, no.

[SR40c]

I carry to protect myself and family members. After that, it's a case by case basis. The scenarios and variables are endless. The State of Iowa insists on continuing a position of ignorance when it comes to Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine legislation. In other words, my position would have to be undeniably obvious in order to come to another person or person's aid in a given situation. People have a choice to carry or not to carry. I'm not going to ruin my life because they choose to walk, talk, and act like sheep. Can also think of a couple situations where one with any conscience at all would have to help, but damn few.

Think good witness first and go from there.

[Stan45]

No I won't I assure you

There actually are some good points in your first post. I go to church, I donate to the food bank, I try to be nice to the neighbors, I'm more than happy to help some old lady change a tire and I have no problem with calling the police if needed but that’s where it ends.

I see too many people who get a permit and suddenly think they’re Joe Friday, that’s kinda scary to me. I said it in the post you quoted but a lot of those folks come off to me like they can not wait to spring into action and be a hero, like they still live in fantasy land.

If you look around this forum you’ll find that most of the “sheep dogs” are a little on the authoritarian side, they’re generally the same folks that tell you, you should waive your rights any time you interact with the cops. “After all you have nothing to hide”.

I also see a lot of self proclaimed “sheep dogs” beating their chests right here on this forum and condemning anyone who doesn’t share their world view as a coward or an anti social psychopath.

Thanks, no.

I hear you loud and clear.
And what you stated above is NOT what Grossman is talking about.

Your first two lines make you a sheepdog.

If you were what is in theses other lines that would make you an arrogant ass. And you are NOT that.

The sheepdog helps get the sheep in and through the gate, you said "I'm more than happy to help some old lady change a tire."
A sheepdog calls for help with a bark, you said "I have no problem with calling the police"

Welcome my son, come forward and be baptised.

[localgirl]

I hear you loud and clear.
And what you stated above is NOT what Grossman is talking about.

Your first two lines make you a sheepdog.

If you were what is in theses other lines that would make you an arrogant ass. And you are NOT that.

The sheepdog helps get the sheep in and through the gate, you said "I'm more than happy to help some old lady change a tire."
A sheepdog calls for help with a bark, you said "I have no problem with calling the police"

Welcome my son, come forward and be baptised.

Oh Stan...if Treo is a sheepdog, I think you just stepped in his poo...this could get messy.