Homeschooling Banned in California

FN1910 · #11 09-26-2008, 01:52 PM

You can find good and bad schools in every category. My mother was the Guidance Counselor at a public high school for many years. Part of her job was to evealuate the students transferring in from other schools. What she found was that the majority of students transferring in from private shools were about one year ahead of the public school students in language arts and one year behind in math.

My tow oldest daughters attended public high schools and both now have their Masters. One graduated Summa Cum Laude from her college for her BS and had a 4.0 for her Masters studies. My other one just finished her MBA specializing in International Business and has been asked to be the National President of her business association.

My third daughter is a junior in college and should graduate ahead of time. As I said I have lots of friends and relatives that have either home schooled or sent their children to private schools. My Mother taught for 45 years in both Private and Public schools along with colleges. My wife has taught for 35 years in public schools. In my neighborhood it is about 35% of the kids go to "exclusinve" priveate schools. It is a matter of personal preference but I have yet to find where one turns out better students or citizens than the other. I can show you example after example of one or the other but this BS about home school student is 4 years ahead of public school students doesn't hold water when actual facts are presented.

In SC public schools are required to accept home schooled students for science classes beause so few parents that were trying to home school had either the background or facilities to teach their students science. Many parents around here will home school their kinds for math or reading but send them to the public schools for science classes even though the science classes may teach that evolution could have happened and that the universe may be more than 7,000 years old.

HK4U · #12 09-26-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FN1910

You can find good and bad schools in every category. My mother was the Guidance Counselor at a public high school for many years. Part of her job was to evealuate the students transferring in from other schools. What she found was that the majority of students transferring in from private shools were about one year ahead of the public school students in language arts and one year behind in math.

My tow oldest daughters attended public high schools and both now have their Masters. One graduated Summa Cum Laude from her college for her BS and had a 4.0 for her Masters studies. My other one just finished her MBA specializing in International Business and has been asked to be the National President of her business association.

My third daughter is a junior in college and should graduate ahead of time. As I said I have lots of friends and relatives that have either home schooled or sent their children to private schools. My Mother taught for 45 years in both Private and Public schools along with colleges. My wife has taught for 35 years in public schools. In my neighborhood it is about 35% of the kids go to "exclusinve" priveate schools. It is a matter of personal preference but I have yet to find where one turns out better students or citizens than the other. I can show you example after example of one or the other but this BS about home school student is 4 years ahead of public school students doesn't hold water when actual facts are presented.

In SC public schools are required to accept home schooled students for science classes beause so few parents that were trying to home school had either the background or facilities to teach their students science. Many parents around here will home school their kinds for math or reading but send them to the public schools for science classes even though the science classes may teach that evolution could have happened and that the universe may be more than 7,000 years old.

Our daughter also went to an outside science class but it was a teacher that was a Christian that had a couple degrees in the sciences. He provided the classes for home school families. We also got my daughter involved in a speech class that was taught by a lady in our church. She was a member of toast Masters. There was plenty of opportunity for extracurricular classes for homeschoolers if the parents wanted to get them involved. Another plus for Home schooling is the children do not have the peer pressure that they would in public schools. About being ahead of public schools I do not know what happens other places but I do know that in our association all the children tested ahead of the average for public school. Most of the moms that taught, I say moms because they did most of the teaching, had no formal education in that field. In fact my wife and many others only had high school education. You see a loving dedicated parent teaching one on one or two or three or however many kids they have can do more in less time than a teacher in an over crowded class room with a lot of interruptions. I am also convinced that public schools today are one of the most dangerous places kids go.

FN1910 · #13 09-26-2008, 05:40 PM

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outside science class but it was a teacher that was a Christian

Every science teacher that I have ever had and that includes college was a Christian. They may not meet you narrow view of what a Christian is but I really don't want my children hanging around with someone with a view that narrow. I grew up as a Christian, have always been a Christian and all of a family are Christians. When I was in school there was not a single person in that entire school that was not a Chistian. In fact until I went to college I personally knew of only one person that was Jewish. If your attitude is that you are not a Christian becasue you are a Science teacher then I really feel for you and your religion what ever it is becasue it isn't Christian.

kwo51 · #14 09-26-2008, 06:50 PM

train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state What about teaching them to read write and math. The school is not supposed to be an exchange agent.Sounds like these judge on the appeal is a nazi.

HK4U · #15 09-26-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FN1910

Every science teacher that I have ever had and that includes college was a Christian. They may not meet you narrow view of what a Christian is but I really don't want my children hanging around with someone with a view that narrow. I grew up as a Christian, have always been a Christian and all of a family are Christians. When I was in school there was not a single person in that entire school that was not a Chistian. In fact until I went to college I personally knew of only one person that was Jewish. If your attitude is that you are not a Christian becasue you are a Science teacher then I really feel for you and your religion what ever it is becasue it isn't Christian.

I think you are reading into what I said what you want to believe I said instead of what I did say. I did not say anywhere that being a science teacher means you are not a Christian. There are in fact plenty of scientists that do not believe in evolution, that are Christians and hold a Biblical view. There are also however science teachers and other teachers that are not Christians that teach in public school. That is a fact. By choosing to home school parents have control over what type of world view their children are exposed to. That is just one of the many reasons we chose home schooling. I really do not care where you send your children to school. This is America and you are free to choose. I do resent greatly the government either federal or state telling me how to educate my kids. I have not seen the government do a very good job of anything else so why would I want to relinquish my God given rights to a bunch of bureaucrats. Unlike Hillbillery I do not think "It takes a village". As far as your statement of everyone in you school being a Christian then perhaps you went to a phenomenal school because I doubt there is another in the world where everyone is a Christian. They may go to church on Sunday but actually all of them being Christians I would doubt it because them being in church does not make one a Christian any more that a mouse getting in a cookie jar makes it a cookie.

tattedupboy · #16 09-29-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FN1910

You can find good and bad schools in every category. My mother was the Guidance Counselor at a public high school for many years. Part of her job was to evealuate the students transferring in from other schools. What she found was that the majority of students transferring in from private shools were about one year ahead of the public school students in language arts and one year behind in math.

My tow oldest daughters attended public high schools and both now have their Masters. One graduated Summa Cum Laude from her college for her BS and had a 4.0 for her Masters studies. My other one just finished her MBA specializing in International Business and has been asked to be the National President of her business association.

My third daughter is a junior in college and should graduate ahead of time. As I said I have lots of friends and relatives that have either home schooled or sent their children to private schools. My Mother taught for 45 years in both Private and Public schools along with colleges. My wife has taught for 35 years in public schools. In my neighborhood it is about 35% of the kids go to "exclusinve" priveate schools. It is a matter of personal preference but I have yet to find where one turns out better students or citizens than the other. I can show you example after example of one or the other but this BS about home school student is 4 years ahead of public school students doesn't hold water when actual facts are presented.

In SC public schools are required to accept home schooled students for science classes beause so few parents that were trying to home school had either the background or facilities to teach their students science. Many parents around here will home school their kinds for math or reading but send them to the public schools for science classes even though the science classes may teach that evolution could have happened and that the universe may be more than 7,000 years old.

I think the debate isn't so much whether public school students are better prepared for higher education or for life than homeschooled students. The debate is whether parents have the right to decide which is the best for their children, and in determining that homeschooling is illegal, the state of California has taken that away from them.

As for how old the universe is, the fossil record couldn't be clearer. The earth is several billion years old, not 7,000.

HK4U · #17 09-29-2008, 12:11 PM

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I think the debate isn't so much whether public school students are better prepared for higher education or for life than homeschooled students. The debate is whether parents have the right to decide which is the best for their children, and in determining that homeschooling is illegal, the state of California has taken that away from them.

As for how old the universe is, the fossil record couldn't be clearer. The earth is several billion years old, not 7,000.

If a fair maiden kisses a frog which instantly changes into a handsome prince we would call it a fairy tale. But if the frog takes 40 million years to turn into a prince we call it evolution.

Teufel · #18 09-29-2008, 12:54 PM

I'm still waiting for it to fall into the ocean...with all of the residents.

kwo51 · #19 09-29-2008, 12:57 PM

My oldest is a lawyer and was home schooled. When 50% of the kids drop out or fail why should we support the government schools? Anything the gov does cost more and fails, time to let free market prevail. The free market must be run by fair and prudent persons..