Obama is planning a million man militia!

[tattedupboy]

Originally Posted by HK4U

Tatt you have your mind made up not to let anybody confuse you with the facts.

Wrong again. I have made up my mind not to be deceived by hyperbole.

[HK4U]

Originally Posted by tattedupboy

Wrong again. I have made up my mind not to be deceived by hyperbole.

yea right.

[tattedupboy]

Originally Posted by HK4U

yea right.

Yes is right. All this sky is falling, Obama is Hitler, Obama million man army stuff is just downright ridiculous. If someone were to post a thread that Lucifer has returned to earth in the form of Obama and I were to dispute it, you'd continue to insist that my head is in the sand. Wake up and listen to yourself, man.

[HK4U]

Originally Posted by tattedupboy

Yes is right. All this sky is falling, Obama is Hitler, Obama million man army stuff is just downright ridiculous. If someone were to post a thread that Lucifer has returned to earth in the form of Obama and I were to dispute it, you'd continue to insist that my head is in the sand. Wake up and listen to yourself, man.

Believe what you want I do not really care. You can believe he is the best thing sense sliced bread if you want to. Believe he is a strong born again Christian that really has all our best interest at heart. Believe he is our Messiah like all those that voted for him do. Crown him king right now if you desire. I will never believe he is anything but the Marxist traitor to the constitution that he has shown himself to be. If by some miracle he repents and changes and turns out to be the best President we ever had then I will admit it. Get back to me when that happens.

[tattedupboy]

Originally Posted by HK4U

Believe what you want I do not really care. You can believe he is the best thing sense sliced bread if you want to. Believe he is a strong born again Christian that really has all our best interest at heart. Believe he is our Messiah like all those that voted for him do. Crown him king right now if you desire. I will never believe he is anything but the Marxist traitor to the constitution that he has shown himself to be. If by some miracle he repents and changes and turns out to be the best President we ever had then I will admit it. Get back to me when that happens.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that he was the best thing since sliced bread, that he has our best interests at heart, that he is a messiah, or crowned him king. I just believe it is disingenuous and going overboard to compare him to Hitler, to say that he'll send a million man army out to put down his opposition, and to say he would allow us to be taken over by the U.N.

[Husky Girl]

Wait a minute here - I thought part of the reasoning behind the second amendment was so we could have a "militia"? I thought we wanted to protect our national security and doesn't a civilian force seem like a good way to do it? I thought Obama was hated because he was going to make us socialists and give our country away to others, now we hate him becuase he wants to implement a militia and protect the country because our military is busy overseas?

Now that I'm done with my sarcasm - I actually am seeing a little hypocrisy here. Can someone (politely) try to enlighten me as to how exactly a civilian (read - not government run) militia to protect our national security is a bad thing? I'm being completely serious, not trying to make a point using sarcasm - I really don't understand.

[HK4U]

Originally Posted by Husky Girl

Wait a minute here - I thought part of the reasoning behind the second amendment was so we could have a "militia"? I thought we wanted to protect our national security and doesn't a civilian force seem like a good way to do it? I thought Obama was hated because he was going to make us socialists and give our country away to others, now we hate him becuase he wants to implement a militia and protect the country because our military is busy overseas?

Now that I'm done with my sarcasm - I actually am seeing a little hypocrisy here. Can someone (politely) try to enlighten me as to how exactly a civilian (read - not government run) militia to protect our national security is a bad thing? I'm being completely serious, not trying to make a point using sarcasm - I really don't understand.

Kind of like Blackwater or Ravenwood from the T.V. show Jericho?

Overkill: Feared Blackwater Mercenaries Deploy in New Orleans

[tattedupboy]

Originally Posted by HK4U

Kind of like Blackwater or Ravenwood from the T.V. show Jericho?

Overkill: Feared Blackwater Mercenaries Deploy in New Orleans

This article refers to a private organization receiving government funds; does not quite fit the definition of a militia.

I started to insert here the definition of militia as it was written in the dictionary, but I felt it more appropriate to instead include the definition as the founding fathers saw it.

Militia: all able-bodied males.

Originally Posted by Husky Girl

Wait a minute here - I thought part of the reasoning behind the second amendment was so we could have a "militia"? I thought we wanted to protect our national security and doesn't a civilian force seem like a good way to do it? I thought Obama was hated because he was going to make us socialists and give our country away to others, now we hate him becuase he wants to implement a militia and protect the country because our military is busy overseas?

Now that I'm done with my sarcasm - I actually am seeing a little hypocrisy here. Can someone (politely) try to enlighten me as to how exactly a civilian (read - not government run) militia to protect our national security is a bad thing? I'm being completely serious, not trying to make a point using sarcasm - I really don't understand.

You're being completely serious here? Then you scare me. Tell me, who is going to run this civilian police force if not the federal government? If the president-ELECT is promoting it, does that tell you something? He ain't the local mayor, is he?

You loved the FBI, you loved Homeland Security, you loved the TSA, you'll really love a national police force, with military powers. Have you ever heard of, or read about, or seen, martial law? Are you familiar with Posse Commitatus? And do you have any idea what "states rights" are? Have YOU read the Constitution? States rights trump federal rights, yet you would be very comfortable allowing a national police force to march into your town and declare that they are the law. Jeez! Even within states, police cannot cross city limits and county lines to enforce laws.

Ya know, we're complaining here about the possible misuse of government powers, and you're actually advocating the same thing. Our military is busy overseas, but that has no bearing whatsoever with law enforcement in our country. The military has never been expected to police this country, with the exception of martial law in the case of disasters. We have the FBI, we have Homeland Security (which includes the Border Patrol and Immigrations). We do not need more government intrusion into our lives in the name of security. How about first starting to actively enforce the laws we have, and removing the threats from our streets effectively.

National police force? What national police force? We don't need no steenkin' national police force.

[tattedupboy]

When I hear the term militia, I think of an organization more like the Minutemen, who are not under the control of or receiving any money from, any government agency. Blackwater does not fit that definition in any way.