I thought fire collapses steel structured skyscrapers?!?!

[johnsteele]

DAM! you mean Reynolds doesn't work?

And the store brand is even worse :-)

[johnsteele]

Conspiracy theories of the moment often become fact later on. Two examples that come to mind are the sinking of the Lusitania and how the ship was carrying munitions and there was advanced warning that the Germans knew it and it would be hit. This provided Wilson the reason he needed to enter WW1. Also FDR had advanced warning of the attack on Pearl Harbor and the attack gave him the reason he needed to enter WW2. Most people are the same today as they were back then. We can not accept the fact that or world is not everything we have been led to believe it is. Denial helps us sleep at night.

Except that neither of those is true ... oh, never mind, no amount of fact will overcome a good conspiracy theory.

[HK4U]

Except that neither of those is true ... oh, never mind, no amount of fact will overcome a good conspiracy theory.

[I]Both are true, No amount of truth can over come a mind brain washed by the public school system and the major news networks.I]

[PascalFleischman]

Research has been published on the subject of FDR & Pearl Harbor, and the only "evidence" that has been published was circumstantial, at best. Anyone can have a theory, but it requires solid proof to be considered fact. No solid proof has been offered indicating that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance.

Here's one reason why I think that Pearl Harbor was still a surprise attack. While one may guess that FDR needed an excuse to get involved in WWII, I highly doubt that he would have done so at the expense of our "capital ship" fleet. Naval doctrine at that time centered around large Battleship task forces (similar to today's carrier battle groups). The aircraft carrier at that time was nothing more than an old battleship with a wooden deck superstructure to launch and land aircraft. In 1941, the Pacific Fleet was DECIMATED and essentially rudderless without its battleships. The saving grace to Pearl Harbor was that the aircraft carriers based in HI at the time were out to sea, and not subject to attack. Initial intelligence reports were dismal, thinking that the war was already lost w/out battleships and only able to rely on carriers. The Battle of Midway months later proved otherwise, and thus, history would be forever changed. Since the Aircraft carrier was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt to be the ultimate in Naval battle vessels, they realized that the "ship had sailed", so to speak, on a Navy based around the battleship.

At that time, nobody could've predicted the success, and ultimate change in Naval doctrine that Pearl Harbor brought about by the miraculous saving of the carrier fleet.

[Sheldon]

It's called the contractor applied all the fire proofing material to the structure like he was suppose to, unlike NY. You see there if the contractor messes up he has two choices, and both involve his death.

[toreskha]

The best retort we have seen since the fire is the claim that buildings are constructed differently and therefore no comparison can possibly be made between the Mandarin Oriental hotel and Building 7.

Here's a better retort. The accidents were entirely different, the environment was somewhat different and the buildings were different.

Really? That argument didn’t stop debunkers from comparing the collapse of two bridges to the collapse of the twin towers following freeway collapses in San Francisco and Minnesota in 2007.

The frenzy was particularly evident at Fark.com following the San Francisco bridge collapse, with posters reveling in the notion that the freeway accident had made “WTC conspiracy theories collapse as quickly as that highway did.”

Whoever said that, did so in error. An incorrect opposing argument to an incorrect theory, which seeks to lend an incorrectly based support to a correct theory, does not undermine the correct theory. The theory, if correct, is able to stand on its own. The incorrect argument is merely irrelevant.

[Scarecrow]

can't believe everything the media wants you to believe.

[Sheldon]

can't believe everything the media wants you to believe.

Sensationalism sells simple as that....