Those wacky atheists are at it again

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by Loyal

I thought your main point was that all atheists are wacky; at least that was strongly implied by the title of your post.

Loyal, I'm not the OP. Read my posts and you will see nothing about "wacky" atheists. Once again, everyone has a right to their beliefs. You can't file suit to remove anything religious and then turn around and file suit to place ads in favor of atheism. This is what I'm trying to say, nothing more.

[rockwerks]

Originally Posted by gdcleanfun

Holy right wing, Batman, I thought that 2A covered everyone, including Democrats, of which I'm one. Does this mean I have to renounce my 2A rights? Not on your Batmobile will I do that!

If you check 95% of the political threads on this site are bashing the left and Democrats rather than working with them to keep our rights, Their constant bashing is actually turning them in to a much smaller minority and sending more power to the left.

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by rockwerks

If you check 95% of the political threads on this site are bashing the left and Democrats rather than working with them to keep our rights, Their constant bashing is actually turning them in to a much smaller minority and sending more power to the left.

There are parties on this site that bash Republicans and call it informed opinion. Yet when anything is said about a particular Democrat it's bashing. Personally I don't vote strict party lines. I guess I would be considered a moderate conservative when it comes to politics. I am Republican but have voted for Democrats as well. I vote for who I honestly believe would do the best for the state and the country. When my opinion differs from someone that's all it is, a difference of opinion. I'm not bashing anyone when I speak out against something I disagree with. It seems you do the same, speak out when you disagree that is.

[FN1910]

Compared to most of what I have read on here I am a very religious person but I disagree with many atheists and many other religious people. To assume that the same group sues to halt any religious advertising but then sues to promote ther anti-religion agenda requires more than just assumptions to start labeling them as wacky or anything else.

I am assuming that the bus company that is involved is publicly owned, therefore totally different from a privately owned business or someone's front yard. If they sue to halt religous ads but then sue to promote their ads we certainly have a good case to call them any name we want to and to fight them in court and anywhere else required. They must follow the same guidelines that religions do. There are many religions that I feel the same way toward that I feel toward atheists, they are wrong and they probably feel the same way toward me.

On a publicly owned bus they must either accept all religious advertising or none and Atheism is as much a religion as Muslim or Christianity. The same guidelines must apply. Until I am shown that this group sues to promote their religion and to stop others I can only say that they have the right to be treated fairly and not make assumptions about their actions.

[Piece Corps]

I call 'em like I see 'em. Forget the Democrat label. Forget the atheist label. Let's just stick with left wing socialist and go from there. Are you against the Constitution? Any part of it? You can't pick and choose, just like we Christians like to say about the other so-called "Christians" who like to pick and choose only thne parts of the Bible they believe in.

BUT - I think it's telling that a LOT of Democrats (hint: the president is one) want to turn this country into a socialist concentration camp, where we are all beholden to our generous government, who giveth and who taketh away.

I'm a registered Republican (soon to change), but I consider myself, today more than ever, a Constitutionalist. And last time I looked, our government officials were sworn to uphold and defend the ENTIRE Constitution, not just the parts they like. And when our elected officials fail to do that, then it is time they were replaced.

Show me a few Democrats who are fighting to protect and defend the Constitution. Not a few who own guns, but those who don't think our Constitution should be flushed down the toilet as ancient and no longer valid.

I'm waiting.........

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Let's not forget that the Code of Hamurabi predates the 10 commandments by more than 300 years and is usually referred to as the source of our modern day laws. But more recently we have as the basis of our laws the: Magna Carta & British Common Law.

Atheists can be as patriotic, and support and defend the U.S Constitution and Bill of Rights as fervently as any other non-Atheist. Cut us a break.

[gdcleanfun]

Originally Posted by ronwill

There are parties on this site that bash Republicans and call it informed opinion. Yet when anything is said about a particular Democrat it's bashing. Personally I don't vote strict party lines. I guess I would be considered a moderate conservative when it comes to politics. I am Republican but have voted for Democrats as well. I vote for who I honestly believe would do the best for the state and the country. When my opinion differs from someone that's all it is, a difference of opinion. I'm not bashing anyone when I speak out against something I disagree with. It seems you do the same, speak out when you disagree that is.

I don't like to bash groups. It's non-productive and often it leads to anger. It's "generalizing" in the worst form. I don't like the term, "informed opinion," when it's used as proof of facts. Opinions cannot be proven. Hypotheses can be proven through sciences, but not opinions. I do like to discuss ideas, because, if I may, it's the thought that counts. If I don't like an idea then I say so. But lots of people on both ends of all spectrums break the rules for how they are "supposed to think," especially when others expect them to mimic hard-core party lines and ideals. Usually, people just don't think that rigidly.

In any case, imho, it's the ideas that need to be discussed, not the person or the party. It is the ideas that are formed as questions, or as hypotheses, if you will, that can be proven or dis-proven. If you state, for instance, "That is wrong," then you are stating your opinion. If you rephrase it as, "Is this wrong?" then you are questioning an idea, and you can go about proving it. I hope this is clearer than mud.

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by gdcleanfun

I don't like to bash groups. It's non-productive and often it leads to anger. It's "generalizing" in the worst form. I don't like the term, "informed opinion," when it's used as proof of facts. Opinions cannot be proven. Hypotheses can be proven through sciences, but not opinions. I do like to discuss ideas, because, if I may, it's the thought that counts. If I don't like an idea then I say so. But lots of people on both ends of all spectrums break the rules for how they are "supposed to think," especially when others expect them to mimic hard-core party lines and ideals. Usually, people just don't think that rigidly.

In any case, imho, it's the ideas that need to be discussed, not the person or the party. It is the ideas that are formed as questions, or as hypotheses, if you will, that can be proven or dis-proven. If you state, for instance, "That is wrong," then you are stating your opinion. If you rephrase it as, "Is this wrong?" then you are questioning an idea, and you can go about proving it. I hope this is clearer than mud.

Very well said GD, and I couldn't agree more. Disagreements will happen and it's all in how you present your side that matters.

[HK4U]

Originally Posted by Mr. Vegas

So I owe My right to bear arms to the christians?? thats the biggest load of shit I've heard in a while....And for the record I don't need anyones forgiveness!!!
I live by my own set of rules...

I Don't see this thread going anywhere Good....nor have a damn thing to do with CC issues..

[I]No according to the founding fathers you owe that right and others to God. Read the Decleration of Independence. The constitution and the bill of rights in particular was written to keep the federal government from infringing on those rights. As far as living by your own set of rules is that not to a great extent what is wrong in America today? We no longer have any standards.]

[Loyal]

Originally Posted by ronwill

Loyal, I'm not the OP. Read my posts and you will see nothing about "wacky" atheists. Once again, everyone has a right to their beliefs. You can't file suit to remove anything religious and then turn around and file suit to place ads in favor of atheism. This is what I'm trying to say, nothing more.

My mistake.
Please accept my appologies.