Did he say 46 millon need health care?

[Oregon Vet]

One study pegged the number of people who were uninsured for the entire year at 31 million, while another put it even lower, at 21 million.

Sure a LOT less than Obama keeps spouting with his 46 million. BUT, keep reading, it is a LOT lower!

Another problem is:In addition, some of the 46 million could theoretically afford health coverage, but chose not to purchase any. In 2007, 17.6 million of the uninsured had annual incomes of more than $50,000 and 9.1 million earned more than $75,000. In fact, as Sally Pipes notes in the Top Ten Myths of American Health Care: A Citizen's Guide, those making more than $75,000 per year are part of the fastest growing segment of the uninsured population.

The Census figures also show that 18.3 million of the uninsured were under 34. Some in this age group may have simply determined that they are young and healthy and thus can do without coverage.

When all of these factors are put together, the 2003 BlueCross BlueShield study determined that 8.2 million Americans are actually without coverage for the long haul, because they are too poor to purchase health care but earn too much to qualify for government assistance. Even being without insurance still doesn't mean they won't have access to care, because federal law forbids hospitals from denying treatment to patients who show up at the emergency rooms.

Those pushing for a major government intervention in health care are distorting the 46-million statistic to boost their cause, and by disseminating it so widely without further elaboration, the media is rigging the game in their favor.

WOW, 8.2 million without health insurance right now is a LONG ways from Obama's 46 million. And people watching TV believe every word he says.

[jwtollett21]

whether its 46 million or 2 people. Every US citizen in the united states deserves the opportunity to be able to buy health insurance without having to worry about being denyed due to pre existing conditions. Good post though. A lot of truth in what your saying. The 46 million is a little deceiving.

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by jwtollett21

whether its 46 million or 2 people. Every US citizen in the united states deserves the opportunity to be able to buy health insurance without having to worry about being denyed due to pre existing conditions. Good post though. A lot of truth in what your saying. The 46 million is a little deceiving.

They may deserve heath care, however, the tax payer shouldn't be the one to pay for those who can't afford insurance and believe me the tax payer will pay. How long do you think government run health care will be viable? For an example look at our soon to be broke social security system. Socialized medicine is NOT the way to go.

[jwtollett21]

well no government intervention in this case will only worsen it.

[Oregon Vet]

I start feeling like I am taking it in the hind end when people start using the word "DESERVE" around me. ESPECIALLY when we are talking tax dollars like ron is talking about. But, the main gist of the article isn't about people who have preexisting conditions, it is about giving everyone health insurance.

My health insurance costs ME, just "me", no family, no kids, no other people, just ME, $522.00 a month WITH a HIGH deductible. My birthday is today, I am afraid it is going to go to $600+ next month because of my birthday. I work HARD to pay for it. It ISN'T the governments job to buy MY health insurance. It is MY responsibility to buy my own.

We can pretty well do what we want in this country. That is pretty much fine with me, as long as YOU (whomever "you" may be) can pay for it.

When we have to get the government involved in shelling out the money for health insurance or whatever, then it is NOT good. Why? Because we are STEALING from the people who HAVE kept their lives in order and made sure they could afford things before taking them on. Like what? Like kids for an example.

IF we tied tubes/did vasectomies on people who couldn't afford a kid when they got pregnant, within ONE generation welfare would pretty well be gone. You want to have kids, then YOU pay for them. (the "YOU" I am talking about is NOT "you" personally, but "you" in society)

Then just about 100% of the kids born would be wanted AND planned for. The money WOULD be there to raise them with. Just think of a kid as buying a brand new car, about 4 steps ABOVE the model you CAN afford. You DON'T buy it, because you can't afford it. Same with kids. I have had people tell me having kids is a God given right. We NEED to weed THOSE people out of society. They are just dragging the whole country down.

Socialized medicine? NOPE, bad deal. You get socialized medicine and you are pretty well telling poor people society "thinks" it is OKAY to keep having kids, that they "deserve" that right.

We DO need to put a price on human lives. Here is a doper baby born and it will cost $5 million dollars to keep it alive for the 3-4 months before it dies. NO, it does NOT "deserve" the right to have that much "insurance" money spent on it before it does die.

Some people with preexisting conditions do NOT deserve the right to make taxpayers pay for "OUR" problem. Some preexisting conditions are just too expensive. And socialized medicine is WAY TOO expensive for the people who do pay for it. Who? The ones who work HARD to pay for their own. They sure don't want to pay for others too.

Rant off.

[gdcleanfun]

Originally Posted by ronwill

They may deserve heath care, however, the tax payer shouldn't be the one to pay for those who can't afford insurance and believe me the tax payer will pay. How long do you think government run health care will be viable? For an example look at our soon to be broke social security system. Socialized medicine is NOT the way to go.

The taxpayers pay for it now. Every county general hospital, every "free" clinic, every urgent care clinic, every state that has medical care for indigents like California's MediCal program, VA medical care, Medicare from the federal government for those 65 and up, Social Security Disibility and Social Security Insurance, all types of care like that that is government run, we, the taxpayers, pay for now.

[Oregon Vet]

Originally Posted by gdcleanfun

The taxpayers pay for it now. Every county general hospital, every "free" clinic, every urgent care clinic, every state that has medical care for indigents like California's MediCal program, VA medical care, Medicare from the federal government for those 65 and up, Social Security Disibility and Social Security Insurance, all types of care like that that is government run, we, the taxpayers, pay for now.

I think most of the people who can THINK on their own understand "that". Florida is REALLY hurting with the load they pay with a really LARGE load of illegals. So is California and the other border states.

Is it going to all of the sudden get "cheaper" for the taxpayers if we pay for MILLIONS more peoples health care? How does THAT work? We are buying 10 million people gas for their cars and we start paying for 20 million peoples gasoline for their cars and it will be cheaper for me the taxpayer? Really, HOW does THAT work? I have enough problems paying for my own gasoline for my own car and my "cut" of the gas for those 10 million. My "cut" for 20 million is going to be LESS from my paycheck in taxes? What kind of math is that?

I went to see "my" doctor yesterday. It was their lunch time and they were closed but he heard me talking to one of the girls and came to the front and came out in the waiting room and talked to me about things I was wondering about concerning health care for myself.

Will health care still be that way with socialized medicine? IF I don't like him all of the sudden, I can just look up another doctor in the phone book and make an appointment to see some other doctor. Sometimes even see them THAT day. That won't change? Maybe, but somehow I doubt it. Anyone reading this thread have any experience with socialized medicine that can give me/us what it is like under socialized medicine?

Yes, something HAS to be done about our healthcare system. We ARE paying a LOT too much. Healthcare's runaway inflation has to be brought under control, but somehow, I don't think socialized medicine is the way to go.

To those who DO think it is the way to go. WHY? And, when I ask WHY? I don't mean because all those without insurance will then have health insurance.

NO, I mean: HOW will health care get BETTER for ME, someone who already HAS healthcare insurance?

[MNSteve]

Originally Posted by jwtollett21

whether its 46 million or 2 people. Every US citizen in the united states deserves the opportunity to be able to buy health insurance without having to worry about being denyed due to pre existing conditions. Good post though. A lot of truth in what your saying. The 46 million is a little deceiving.

More than a little deceiving We better start holding the feet of our elected representatives to the fire right now. More letters and e-mails.

[Oregon Vet]

Originally Posted by MNSteve

More than a little deceiving We better start holding the feet of our elected representatives to the fire right now. More letters and e-mails.

I never thought of it before. BUT... it really doesn't seem like they are "OUR" elected reps.

It is as if the crooks are electing each other to the different offices. Just about as if us taxpayers had/have NOTHING to say about it (the election).

It seems as if those in office a few days ALL OF THE SUDDEN don't care about us taxpayers anymore. It SUDDENLY turns into "POWER & GREED DISEASE" and it is so hard to try and find someone in office who hasn't caught it.

And a LARGE percentage of Americans want "these elected representatives" to "FIX" our healthcare system? Are they nuts/crazy/stupid? Must be.

It DOES need fixed. But not the way they are going about it.

The "46 million" is SCARE tactics. They really LIKE scare tactics. "LESS than ONE percent" of the population not having/doesn't have health insurance doesn't "scare" people like using "FIFTEEN PERCENT" of the population doesn't have health insurance.

Real con artists our "elected" officials are!

[ronwill]

Originally Posted by gdcleanfun

The taxpayers pay for it now. Every county general hospital, every "free" clinic, every urgent care clinic, every state that has medical care for indigents like California's MediCal program, VA medical care, Medicare from the federal government for those 65 and up, Social Security Disibility and Social Security Insurance, all types of care like that that is government run, we, the taxpayers, pay for now.

Not all "free" clinics are payed for by tax payers. Some are payed for as charitable donations by corporations and the wealthy. Some doctors and interns donate some of their time to these clinics on a rotating basis. It is true that many county hospitals get stiffed on their bills because of people using the emergency room as a clinic and the tax payer picks up the tab. Now add trillions more to that tab and how much do you think the tax payer is going to pick up? The bill that just got past in committee is already priced at over $800 billion. Do you think it's going to stop there? For additional info take a look at the following:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2651.cfm