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This is a discussion on CPl holder open caryying in pistol free zones within the Open Carry Discussion forums, part of the Main Category category; My sincere thanks to you xmanhockey7 for explaining this confusing issue. Although I understand how the laws work in Michigan ...

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    My sincere thanks to you xmanhockey7 for explaining this confusing issue. Although I understand how the laws work in Michigan I am just unable to explain them as clearly and concisely as you just did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1221 View Post
    I just don't understand. Michigan being a open carry state. Why would someone with a cpl be allowed to open carry in them places and someone without a cpl not be allowed.
    Because politicians see it as "well they have training and are licensed and blah blah blah". Those without a CPL can hardly carry in Michigan because well look at how many places have liquor licenses (that's the big one). We find there is normally a bit of a learning curve when it comes to understanding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    My sincere thanks to you xmanhockey7 for explaining this confusing issue. Although I understand how the laws work in Michigan I am just unable to explain them as clearly and concisely as you just did.
    You're welcome. I understand the laws can be confusing and hard to explain. I've spent enough time on OCDO that I've got it down pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1221 View Post
    So a person without a permit cannot open carry in a school. But because I have a cpl I cannot conceal but I can open carry in a school? Wow messed up confusing lol
    That is exactly correct. Michigan law assumes open carry. OC is legal because there is no law saying that it is illegal. CC, on the other hand, faces several limitations. The fact that someone with a CPL can OC in a pistol free zone, but not CC, is exactly why we are working to establish OC/CC parity. Let's face it, there have been exactly ZERO instances in Michigan pistol free zones involving a CPL holder that was exercising their right to OC. Why in the world would that change just because the method of carry changes?! So now we have SB 59 being debated in the state senate. If you want to OC in a pistol free zone and possess a CPL, SB 59 will require you to take another 9 hours of class, expend another 2 boxes of ammo (it increases the number of rounds required to obtain a CPL in the first place from 30 to nearly 100), and then submit a WRITTEN REQUEST for an exception. As I have been arguing for quite a while now, this is a blatant violation of the Equal Protection clause of the US Constitution, and places an undue burden on firearms owners based solely on the method of carry. If it is legal to OC in a pistol free zone when in possession of a CPL without any additional requirements, then there is no logical reason why someone wishing to exercise their right to CC should be subject to additional requirements.

    We need everyone to contact their Senators in Lansing to support OC/CC parity. And then, if we can get that passed in the state senate, it will be time to bring down all the pressure we can on the state house, especially on Speaker Jase Bolger, who has already warned our representatives that he expects them to drag their feet on passage of this legislation. He claims that our right to carry is too "emotional" to fast-track - as if our right to carry is based on the emotions of the anti-Second Amendment gang instead of the Constitution he and other legislators swore to uphold and protect.
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    Thnx. And yes we all need to write or email to Lansing. And every week if we need to.

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    One thing is very plain to see the open/concealed laws are very confusing to a lot of people, even the suposedly intelligent ones, as I have said before several times, legal or not if you use your weapon in a self defence situation, 9 times out of 10, right or wrong, its going to cost you a legal fortune, so whatever zone you may be in, open/concealed approved or not, keep your gun concealed, KEEP QUIET ABOUT IT, AT ALL TIMES, and keep yourself protected, do any of you honestly think a BG is going to give a crap if its a gun free zone or not?........at least you will still be alive........and if it was a rightous shoot, there should be minimal reprocusions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason1221 View Post
    I just don't understand. Michigan being a open carry state. Why would someone with a cpl be allowed to open carry in them places and someone without a cpl not be allowed.
    Because the law restricting open carry was written when concealed carry was May Issue. It was assumed that if you had a CPL back then that you had been vetted by the higher powers and could be trusted. When they passed Shall Issue the previous law wasn't changed and made what some see as a "loop hole" in the law. Trust me, there are many who would like to close that loop hole after they became aware of it.

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    Funny that's 1 thing I've always said. If they know u have it-it's only because u needed it. And then your alive to deal with any consequences. I like the idea of sb-59. But can't figure out why another 9hr class is required. I think it's just a $$$ thing so they can charge us all for another license.

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    You are right. Does anyone think because a BG don't have a license that he won't carry a gun into a casino,bank,bar etc.etc. to commit a crime? I don't realy think he is gonna follow the law lol. If anything a BG would be less likely to try and rob someone coming out of a casino or bank if he's not sure who has guns and who don't.

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    In response to rocket geezer and the op:

    Id hate to turn this into an CC vs OC...but...

    I agree it will usually cost a fortune if you have to defend yourself.

    That is one big reason I open carry, to be proactively stopping the common criminal from choosing me.

    In the end I still wish you guys didn't have the infringement on cc in those kill boxes...good luck with your representatives.
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