Ordered to ground at gunpoint for open carrying by cleveland heights ohio police

[utimmer43]

As for the crack about me in Nazi Germany, I'd be likely to pound you if you said that to my face (I say "likely"; take that any way you like). KBV

Awfully sensitive, aren't we? As most of your initial post was irrelevant to the topic, I focused on the most relevant and important part. "Screw your rights, stay alive"???? Do you realize that you just told a group of over 8,000 freedom loving advocates of the Constitution to just piss away what they hold so dear just so the cops won't harass us? That, sir, is the mentality of a soon-to-be oppressed citizenry.

Just call'em like I see'em.

[kbv]

Point taken. This topic makes me a bit irrational; rest assured, I am not going to shoot you. Not today, anyway.

"Mama, don't take these guns from me/ I can't use them any more/
Gettin dark, too dark to see/ feel I'm knockin' on Heaven's door/"
Knockin' on Heaven's Door © sometime, this belongs to Bob Dylan. Please forgive my using withour prior consent. I will give you any money I make from it.

If I haven't shot anyone in almost 40 years, or ever, if you prefer, carrying most of the time, what does that really tell you?

[guncat]

open or concealed should not matter if we give an inch the antis will take a mile every time. seems he was legal the police should leave him alone.

[Boomboy007]

open or concealed should not matter if we give an inch the antis will take a mile every time. seems he was legal the police should leave him alone.

Wow. Concise and to the point; spot on.

Come on, Guncat, you are NEVER going to be a good political candidate like that!

[Anubis]

...they were called by one or more citizens that alone is (going in terror to the public) This alone is enough for them to stop you.

Or maybe it's enough to charge the 911 caller with some kind of false reporting. Ever hear how it's illegal to yell "Fire!" in a theater where there is no fire?

This just seems to be a case of entrapment if this was to go to court.

Seems to me to be a case of illegal police harassment. We'll see who is right when the verdict is announced.

To the original poster: freedom fighter777, you've gone to a lot of trouble to file the suit and get us all excited. Don't weasel out with a pretrial settlement for a couple of thousand bucks and no admission by the police that their actions were illegal! Take it to trial and go for maximum results.

[IWLAFART]

In todays society with things the way they are like the incident in Orlando, Fl. You just never know if the person carrying is a peaceful law biding citizen or has other intentions.

If I were a police officer arriving on the scene of a report of a man carrying a gun I would be extremely cautious when approaching. It would depend on the persons demeanor on how things would go from then on.

Remember it may be your right to open carry. But with the right comes responsiblity.

You may be right but don't be DEAD RIGHT.

[JJFlash]

In todays society with things the way they are like the incident in Orlando, Fl. You just never know if the person carrying is a peaceful law biding citizen or has other intentions.

If I were a police officer arriving on the scene of a report of a man carrying a gun I would be extremely cautious when approaching. It would depend on the persons demeanor on how things would go from then on.

Remember it may be your right to open carry. But with the right comes responsiblity.

You may be right but don't be DEAD RIGHT.

That a police officer would have to be extremely cautious when approaching an armed citizen is EXACTLY the point to me. Kind of even things up: Cop has a gun, citizen has a gun. Works for me.

Viewing this thread in its entirety leads me to two points. The first is "freedom". It doesn't come cheap and it must be constantly fought for, in one way or another, as their are "forces in play" (take your pick: Congress, sheep, liberal Democrats, RINOs, Muslim terrorists, etc.) that are destroying it with each passing year. While the tactics employed by this citizen are not necessarily those which I might have employed, he was certainly advancing the cause of "freedom".

Which leads me to my second point: we must stay UNITED in our fight for our 2A rights. All methods which we might use are valid, IMHO, as long as they are legal, for now, anyway (there may come a time when we must decide how strongly we are going to stand up, legal or otherwise; ready for THAT?). So, open carry, concealed carry...who cares? The right to defend ourselves and our families, and to throw off a tyrannical government is a Constitutionally protected right; we must support all of our brothers/sisters regardless of the method they choose to carry their weapon. This guy chose to open carry in a state where it was legal to do so and got mightily harassed, in my opinion. He's got my support.

OK, a third point: STOP the fricking name-calling and other such crap. It does not advance the cause and makes us look like idiots. If you disagree, then say so, and leave it at that. I tend to think the internet leads some folks to be more courageous than they might be in person. It's too easy to show a lack of respect in these forums because there are no repercussions. For sure, if someone addressed me in person like they sometimes do on these forums, fists would be flying. So, let's knock it off.

My .02 cents; flame away.

[bbarton713]

I think he did the correct thing once he saw the patrol car. If it got out of hand he had the proof on his cell phone. If we had OC here in SC I would OC a lot. I'm a firm believer that if you don't exercise your rights you will lose them. If it's legal then LE should have civilized procedures in place to handle OC situations.

I used to OC when I lived in AZ and didn't realize what a right I had. When I moved to NH I couldn't find a place nearby that was convenient to shoot and ended up selling my handgun.

Now that I'm here in SC I'm waiting 90 days to get a CWP and wishing for the days of OC just because I felt like it. I'm getting my CWP precisely for the reason, a right not exercised is a right that may be lost.

[Know1]

One of the problems is that LEO's don't see enough people OCing, therefore when somebody does it's a huge shocker and they get their panties tied up in a bunch. Everyone is right, exercise the rights or lose them to confusion.

[surfcc]

I think it's pretty lame and I am confident the only reason you produced this video was to get your desired result. Be thankful the officer handled it the way he did.