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    House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
    House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it
    By Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Tuesday, March 16, 2010; A01
    WARNING...UNCONSTITUTIONALCONTENT...INTENDED FOR LIBERAL AUDIENCES...DOES NOT REFLECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE



    After laying the groundwork for a decisive vote this week on the Senate's health-care bill, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.

    Instead, Pelosi (D-Calif.) would rely on a procedural sleight of hand: The House would vote on a more popular package of fixes to the Senate bill; under the House rule for that vote, passage would signify that lawmakers "deem" the health-care bill to be passed.

    The tactic -- known as a "self-executing rule" or a "deem and pass" -- has been commonly used, although never to pass legislation as momentous as the $875 billion health-care bill. It is one of three options that Pelosi said she is considering for a late-week House vote, but she added that she prefers it because it would politically protect lawmakers who are reluctant to publicly support the measure.

    "It's more insider and process-oriented than most people want to know," the speaker said in a roundtable discussion with bloggers Monday. "But I like it," she said, "because people don't have to vote on the Senate bill."

    Republicans quickly condemned the strategy, framing it as an effort to avoid responsibility for passing the legislation, and some suggested that Pelosi's plan would be unconstitutional.

    "It's very painful and troubling to see the gymnastics through which they are going to avoid accountability," Rep. David Dreier (Calif.), the senior Republican on the House Rules Committee, told reporters. "And I hope very much that, at the end of the day, that if we are going to have a vote, we will have a clean up-or-down vote that will allow the American people to see who is supporting this Senate bill and who is not supporting this Senate bill."

    House leaders have worked for days to round up support for the legislation, but the Senate measure has drawn fierce opposition from a broad spectrum of members. Antiabortion Democrats say it would permit federal funding for abortion, liberals oppose its tax on high-cost insurance plans, and Republicans say the measure overreaches and is too expensive.

    Some senior lawmakers have acknowledged in recent days that Democrats lack the votes for passage. Pelosi, however, predicted Monday that she would deliver.

    "When we have a bill, then we will let you know about the votes. But when we bring the bill to the floor, we will have the votes," she told reporters.

    Pelosi said Monday that House Democrats have yet to decide how to approach the vote. But she added that any strategy involving a separate vote on the Senate bill "isn't too popular," and aides said the leadership is likely to bow to the wishes of its rank and file.

    As Pelosi and other congressional leaders pressed wavering lawmakers, President Obama highlighted how close the result may be as he focused his attention Monday on Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), who has been a stalwart no vote on health-care reform.

    Kucinich, an uncompromising liberal, has rejected any measure without a government-run insurance plan. Obama invited Kucinich to join him aboard Air Force One for a trip to suburban Cleveland, where the president made a plea for reform, the third such pitch in eight days.

    As he addressed a crowd of more than 1,400, Obama repeatedly called on lawmakers to summon the "courage to pass the far-reaching package." He painted the existing insurance system as a nightmare for millions of American who cannot afford quality coverage.

    The president lashed out at Republican critics who have argued that the health-care initiative would undermine Medicare, and he argued that the measure would end "the worst practices" of insurance companies.

    "I don't know about the politics, but I know what's the right thing to do," he said, nearly shouting as the crowd cheered. "And so I'm calling on Congress to pass these reforms -- and I'm going to sign them into law. I want some courage. I want us to do the right thing."

    Asked whether he was reconsidering his position, Kucinich demurred. But Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) said Kucinich is coming under intense pressure from Ohioans who want Congress to act, and from his colleagues in Washington.

    "All of us -- the governor, the congressional delegation, the president -- are making clear to Dennis that we won't have another chance for a decade if this doesn't happen," Brown said.

    Persuading liberals such as Kucinich to support the Senate bill is critical to the Democratic strategy, which has been rewritten since January, when Democrats lost their supermajority in the Senate. The Senate Democratic caucus, reduced to 59 seats, lost its ability to override Republican filibusters and soon abandoned plans to pass a revised version of the health-care bill that would reflect a compromise with House leaders.

    As House leaders looked for a path that could get the Senate legislation through the chamber and onto Obama's desk, conservatives warned that Pelosi's use of deem-and-pass in this way would run afoul of the Constitution. They pointed to a 1998 Supreme Court ruling that said each house of Congress must approve the exact same text of a bill before it can become law. A self-executing rule sidesteps that requirement, former federal appellate judge Michael McConnell argued in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

    Democrats were also struggling Monday to put the finishing touches on the package of fixes. Under reconciliation rules, it is protected from filibusters and could pass the Senate with only 50 votes, but can include only provisions that would affect the budget.

    Democratic leaders learned over the weekend that they may not be able to include a number of favored items, including some Republican proposals to stem fraud in federal health-care programs and a plan to weaken a new board that would be empowered to cut Medicare payments.

    Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.), the Democratic leader tasked with protecting politically vulnerable incumbents, said Republicans would twist the nature of the health-care vote, no matter how the leadership proceeds. He defended the deem-and-pass strategy as a way "to make it clear we're amending the Senate bill."

    Without that approach, Van Hollen warned, "people are going to try to create the impression that the Senate bill is the final product, and it's not."

    Undecided Democrats appeared unconcerned by the flap. Rep. Bart Gordon (D-Tenn.), a retiring lawmaker who opposed the original House bill and is undecided on the new package, mocked Republican criticism of the process. Ultimately, he said, voters will hold lawmakers responsible for any changes in law.

    "I don't think anybody's going to say that we didn't vote for the bill," he said.
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    We need to stop theses people! Get rid of them in some fasion or
    another. Dig people of America dig deep!!! There HAS TO BE A WAY!!!
    this is our country not hers!!!!!

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    Nancy (I call her by her first name because I have absolutely no respect for her) is one scarey congressperson. (I can't call her a congressWOMAN either because she is NOT a lady). She is determined to have it her way, regardless of how the majority of Americans feel. The saying "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" certainly applies to her.

    My prayer, should ObamaCare be passed into law, is that it will be declared unconstitutional and overturned. Of course, this will entail months, if not years, of legal litigation that will be paid for by the taxpayers. But if the outcome is positive, it will save us from more government intrusion into our lives and oppressive healthcare-related tax increases in the future.

    In any event, we can not allow ourselves to be worn down...we must stay strong and continue to make our voices heard on this issue. Keep calling and writing your members of Congress, on BOTH sides of the aisle. Let them know that you're watching their every move, that they work for you and, if they don't act in accordance with what the majority of voters want them to do, those unheeded voices WILL be heard at the voting polls.

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    Yeah Rush is all over it....
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    You would think that aliens from another planet have infiltrated our country and taken over our government. Did any of you ever see the movie "They Live"? Actually we have been taken over, by Marxists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    You would think that aliens from another planet have infiltrated our country and taken over our government. Did any of you ever see the movie "They Live"? Actually we have been taken over, by Marxists.
    Yes HK," WE" would think this, because" WE" are the microscopic element within our society that is aware of the aliens ( Marxists) and the truth. Remember, there are three kinds of people...those that make things happen ( 10% )..those that watch things happen (30%)..and those ( 59% )that say, WHAT HAPPENED??? WE, are the microscopic 1% that KNOW THE TRUTH and haven't been DECEIVED. That's the history of the world in a nutshell, nothing new. Remember too, the NARROW GATE that leads to Heaven that FEW will enter, and the WIDE GATE that leads to Hell that MANY will enter. It's very much the same in relation to those in our society that are ignorant and of a reprobate mind, and the consequences as a result. Whats happening is exactly as our Lord has revealed would happen just prior to His return. For anyone who will take the time (5 min.) please read 2 Timothy 3: 1-5. Who can dispute this?
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    We will know by 8am Sunday. Obama is leaving the country. He want's it passed on Saturday so he can sign it and get out of town. I mean, this is scary stuff. We the People are insignificant little shidt birds.
    The Extreme Right wing realizes that this is it. They are "all in" for something they have been planning for decades.
    The idiot in New York that wants to ban salt is just an example of what is to come with this bill.
    You will do or not do what we say because if you get hurt we are paying the bills.
    It's all about total control of everything we do under the guise of health and safety.
    Don't think they won't use health and safety to somehow determine that guns cause injury therefore they need to ban them just like salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo View Post
    Yes HK," WE" would think this, because" WE" are the microscopic element within our society that is aware of the aliens ( Marxists) and the truth. Remember, there are three kinds of people...those that make things happen ( 10% )..those that watch things happen (30%)..and those ( 59% )that say, WHAT HAPPENED??? WE, are the microscopic 1% that KNOW THE TRUTH and haven't been DECEIVED. That's the history of the world in a nutshell, nothing new. Remember too, the NARROW GATE that leads to Heaven that FEW will enter, and the WIDE GATE that leads to Hell that MANY will enter. It's very much the same in relation to those in our society that are ignorant and of a reprobate mind, and the consequences as a result. Whats happening is exactly as our Lord has revealed would happen just prior to His return. For anyone who will take the time (5 min.) please read 2 Timothy 3: 1-5. Who can dispute this?

    We are for sure living in "perilous" times.
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    Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan

    (1.) that guts Medicare,

    (2.) is written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it,

    (3.) would be passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, but exempts themselves from it,

    (4.) to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes,

    (5.) with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,

    (6.) all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and

    (7.) financed by a country that's broke.

    What the hell could possibly go wrong ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by golocx4 View Post
    . I mean, this is scary stuff. We the People are insignificant little shidt birds.
    They are "all in" for something they have been planning for decades.
    You will do or not do what we say because if you get hurt we are paying the bills.
    It's all about total control of everything we do under the guise of health and safety
    .
    Don't think they won't use health and safety to somehow determine that guns cause injury therefore they need to ban them just like salt.



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