I contacted my congressman!!!

[festus]

I had to wait for a while on hold but finally got through.
I informed my congressman that the Slaughter House rules "DEEMING" is unconstitutional and that if healthcare reform is passed without an up and down vote counting yeah and nay votes that the immediate impeachment of both Nancy Pelosi and Obama should occur. He agreed!

Call your congressman and give them an ear full!

[nogods]

I had to wait for a while on hold but finally got through.
I informed my congressman that the Slaughter House rules "DEEMING" is unconstitutional and that if healthcare reform is passed without an up and down vote counting yeah and nay votes that the immediate impeachment of both Nancy Pelosi and Obama should occur. He agreed!

Call your congressman and give them an ear full!

Apparently your congressman doesn’t understand the "deem and pass" procedure and its historic use in the congress, or he is just lying to you.

The SCOTUS will not be ruling on a parliamentary procedure in congress. So don't get your hopes up.

The “deem and pass” procedure (or more correctly, “self-executing procedure”) procedure merely skips the formality of having to vote on a version of the Senate bill that is not the final version of the Senate bill that will be presented to the House for a final vote.

Self-executing rules are not uncommon in the House. For instance, the chamber used the procedure on Feb. 3 to adopt a Senate amendment to a resolution about raising the statutory limit on federal debt. House Republican leaders used it 36 times between 2005 and 2006 and Democrats used it 49 times in 2007 and 2008

Apparently the Republicans want to force the Democrats to vote on a bill that everyone already knows is not going to be the final version of the bill so that Republican candidates can claim that Democrats voted for provisions in that bill even though everyone already knows that those provisions will be taken out before the final bill is presented to the House for voting. Talk about stupid.

Two things to keep in mind. First, the “deem and pass” measure has to be voted on and passed by a majority of the House before it becomes effective for a particular bill. Second, the House still has to pass the final version of the Senate bill by a majority vote.

[MADnMO]

Apparently the Republicans want to force the Democrats to vote on a bill that everyone already knows is not going to be the final version of the bill so that Republican candidates can claim that Democrats voted for provisions in that bill even though everyone already knows that those provisions will be taken out before the final bill is presented to the House for voting. Talk about stupid.

If you believe this I would say that is being STUPID. IMAO.

[nogods]

If you believe this I would say that is being STUPID. IMAO.

Really? I guess you didn't read the news - the reconciliation bill has been released, the CBO Report has already been completed and released, and the bill is likely to be voted on March 21.

You got some catching up to do.

BTW - the only reason the House used the "deem and pass" procedure and the Senate used the reconciliation procedure is because the Senate Republicans would not allow an up or down vote on a conference bill. that's right. the Senate REPUBLICANS announced that they would use the filibuster rule to block an up or down vote on any health care reform bill that came out of conference.

Why were the Senate republicans afraid of an up or down vote? I guess they don't believe in the constitution.

[ricbak]

NO Gods I do read and listen...

This CBO report has been deemed PRELIMINARY>>>


Dems Misrepresent CBO Savings Numbers; CBS Ignores

The $1.2 trillion savings figure is nowhere to be found in the CBO report.


Dems Misrepresent CBO Savings Numbers - WSJ.com

SEN. ORRIN HATCH, R-UTAH: These preliminary numbers are still based on a bunch of gimmicks that we all know will never happen. Double conning Medicare savings, delaying the spending until 2014 and beyond, rating Social Security, et cetera, et cetera.

Cantor: CBO Estimate Part of Democrats' Health Care 'Trickery' - Hannity - FOXNews.com

[MADnMO]

the reconciliation bill has been released, the CBO Report has already been completed and released, and the bill is likely to be voted on March 21.

Being released dose not mean being voted on. The CBO report is a joke. It takes 10 years of taxes and compares that to 6 years of benefits.

Again if you believe everything congress is telling you? Better yet if you think this bill is a good thing then I am afraid there is no hope for you.

Have a great day.

[father-of-three]

If they can't keep it simple, they shouldn't do it, be it Republican or Democrat.
A colleague of mine, who just came out of the closet as a big government Democrat (He used to send me Pat Buchanan emails!) was chiding me about the CBO report, which was at that time, a report with no details.
When I asked him about the raw data and where this supposed deficit reduction will be and how much we will get soaked in taxes to "save" that alleged amount, things got real quiet, even though I was initiailly told "The truth hurts."
If no questions are raised, then maybe we are a nation of sheeple.

The current Senate bill is bad enough without House tweaking.

Don't ever believe the "It can't happen here" line.

Socialism is the gateway drug!
So is the curent Senate Bill!

[Ed Hamberger]

Two subjects you don't argue over because you'll never win; 1) Religion, 2) Politics. All I know is I don't want the darned thing, and 56% of the American population doesn't either. I don't care what method Pelosi utilizes to shove this crap down our throats, those who vote or voted yes have or will have committed political hari-kari. Thirty-eight states have already passed or will pass legislation to block the Feds from forcing them to go along with Pelosi's ObamaCare. You can set here and debate the fine mechanics of Pelosi's strategy, but come Nov. 2010 they will be gone, I quarantee!!!

[father-of-three]

Two subjects you don't argue over because you'll never win; 1) Religion, 2) Politics. All I know is I don't want the darned thing, and 56% of the American population doesn't either. I don't care what method Pelosi utilizes to shove this crap down our throats, those who vote or voted yes have or will have committed political hari-kari. Thirty-eight states have already passed or will pass legislation to block the Feds from forcing them to go along with Pelosi's ObamaCare. You can set here and debate the fine mechanics of Pelosi's strategy, but come Nov. 2010 they will be gone, I quarantee!!!

Do you have a link or website for which 38 states are considering legislation?
I've been having a hard time finding some of this stuff.

[Piece Corps]

Really? I guess you didn't read the news - the reconciliation bill has been released, the CBO Report has already been completed and released, and the bill is likely to be voted on March 21.

You got some catching up to do.

BTW - the only reason the House used the "deem and pass" procedure and the Senate used the reconciliation procedure is because the Senate Republicans would not allow an up or down vote on a conference bill. that's right. the Senate REPUBLICANS announced that they would use the filibuster rule to block an up or down vote on any health care reform bill that came out of conference.

Why were the Senate republicans afraid of an up or down vote? I guess they don't believe in the constitution.

I'm definitely up to speed, and there will be provisions ADDED to the bill, not taken out. The CBO report is a joke...it doesn't cover the true bill, only the parts that the CBO was given.

And I think you answered your own question - you're absolutely right! the House is using deem-and-pass EXACTLY because the bill would be stalled by the Republicans in an up-and-down vote. They're not afraid of the strict vote - they want it. And lastly, the Constitution (although it has been violated numerous times by both parties) specifically states in Article 1, Section 7 that a bill cannot be passed without being voted on by both the Senate and the House. I'd say the Republicans are well aware of the Constitution. And in this case, where so much is at stake, I will guarantee that lawsuits will be forth-coming on Monday if this bill is rammed through like this.

Sounds like you're FOR the bill, nogods. Is this a troll?