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    Quote Originally Posted by u.surper View Post
    Completely agree. I think originally the health reform was supposed to take effect in 2013 but now its 2014 well after whoever is reelected. My fear is that this douche bag is going to pull some slick deals to make his popularity rise again to inauguration approval ratings. don't know what that is though.
    beware of slick talkers, and we definitely have one in the WH, at least until the 2012 elections.
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    Rayven says:
    "he has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii which makes him eligible for the presidency according to the Constitution. I'm not going to argue that because that is fact. You can see the document online with a simple google search."

    Yeah, like I am going to believe what I see on google

    Usurper? Maybe, maybe not - but it's obvious he and his pals have an agenda that is not in the interest of the American people.

    What I do believe is that he never expected to win, and now he doesn't have a clue as to what to do, and never will. And I won't give him the chance to figure it out on my dime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    These types of comments are actually part of the problem.

    First, Obama isn't a usurper. Second, he isn't a Muslim (never was). And third, he has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii which makes him eligible for the presidency according to the Constitution. I'm not going to argue that because that is fact. You can see the document online with a simple google search.

    Ok, now that that's out of the way...

    The problem isn't that there is a liberal in office, or that liberals control the legislative branch of government. Hell, conservatives had control most of the time with George Bush Jr., and spending was insanely high with a major loss of personal liberties and freedoms along with an erosion of law. Obama is just continuing the trend. He's not worse than GWB - he essentially is GWB's third term.

    The problem is "we the people". When the PATRIOT Act came around, we should have all been up in arms about it, forcing government to back off. When the bailouts happened, we should have, at least, demanded that regulations come with them to stop this economic free-fall from ever happening again. If you want to go back in time, we should have fought against the switch from gold and silver backed currency to fiat currency, backed up by nothing more than shady dealings by big bankers. We should have fought against illegally giving control of our money supply to the Federal Reserve, a private banking group (we still could right this wrong, but we won't).

    So it isn't a question of those in government screwing things up. "We The People" elected these idiots. And instead of holding them accountable and demanding real change, we sit back and watch Survivor and fight amongst ourselves over trivial matters.

    If a new civil war does break out, I would blame the people as a whole - myself included.
    YouTube - Obama Admits He Is A Muslim

    im new to the forum i had to post this vid after reading this since hes not a muslim

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvnfly View Post
    I talked to a 80 year old retired Air Force Col over the weekend. The old crusty fighter type guy most of us would love to talk to and he brought up a great point. This country already survived a Jimmy Carter liberal president and we'll survive this one as well. I was 10 when Carter lost office so I don't remember anything about it but from what he says it's pretty much the same thing different agenda, both liberal. We'll get through this but we have to work harder then we should for our way of life to survive.
    "When the people find they can vote themselves money,
    that will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin

    I tell you what... I joined the USMC When Jimmy "The Wimp" Carter was President and Obummer & Company has him beat hands down...

    AS being the worst individual in U.S. history to ever occupy the Seat held by the President of the United States...

    Here's a few highlights...
    444 Days Carter sat on his fricking hands, while then terrorist, now sitting President of Iran tortured & held our people captive, while encouraged to continue to do so by then & now Supreme Leader of Iran... until Ronald Reagan's hand was on the bible of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court...

    21-1/2 % Interest Rate that was caused by Carter Printing a bunch of worthless money...
    Obama has now printed 110% more money then Carter did that caused that hyperinflation...
    What do you think that is going to do to the interest rates?

    Jimmy Carter in his first 30 days did not as Obama & Company have... spend more money then all other administrations combined in their entire history, inflation adjusted! Notwithstanding Obama & Company have multiplied that feat by a factor of 5 since then and they are not done yet!

    When Carter was President we did not have a 12 Trillion & counting deficit, and 108 Trillion with a T and counting unfunded liability that the Carter administration did not tell anybody about...

    What does that 108 Trillion Dollars comprise 100% of?
    ALL our current Liberal Democrat Legislated (And Unconstitutional) ENTITLEMENT programs (BEFORE OBAMACARE):
    1. Social Security
    2. Medicare
    3. Medicaid

    Why don't they tell us about it?
    Because they have no plan and don't have a clue how to pay for it...

    http://usdebtclock.org/

    ALL BEFORE IMPOSING OBAMACARE!

    So right now as I type this, America is in the HOLE 120 Trillion dollars & counting... my grandson was just born owing 400,000 Four Hundred Thousand Dollars...

    This is simply unsustainable...

    This Socialist Utopia Obama & Company are trying to shove down our throats; in the history of the world has always failed and always ended badly and always ended in Anarchy & Dictatorship...

    Printing Worthless Money, Hyperinflation, National Health Care, Nationalized Banks and Manufacturing sound familiar?

    How about the Weimar Republic? The Predecessor to the Third Reich...
    This is where we are heading at breakneck speed folks...
    Weimar Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.” - Edmund Burke

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    These types of comments are actually part of the problem.

    First, Obama isn't a usurper. Second, he isn't a Muslim (never was). And third, he has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii which makes him eligible for the presidency according to the Constitution. I'm not going to argue that because that is fact. You can see the document online with a simple google search.

    Ok, now that that's out of the way...

    The problem isn't that there is a liberal in office, or that liberals control the legislative branch of government. Hell, conservatives had control most of the time with George Bush Jr., and spending was insanely high with a major loss of personal liberties and freedoms along with an erosion of law. Obama is just continuing the trend. He's not worse than GWB - he essentially is GWB's third term.

    The problem is "we the people". When the PATRIOT Act came around, we should have all been up in arms about it, forcing government to back off. When the bailouts happened, we should have, at least, demanded that regulations come with them to stop this economic free-fall from ever happening again. If you want to go back in time, we should have fought against the switch from gold and silver backed currency to fiat currency, backed up by nothing more than shady dealings by big bankers. We should have fought against illegally giving control of our money supply to the Federal Reserve, a private banking group (we still could right this wrong, but we won't).

    So it isn't a question of those in government screwing things up. "We The People" elected these idiots. And instead of holding them accountable and demanding real change, we sit back and watch Survivor and fight amongst ourselves over trivial matters.

    If a new civil war does break out, I would blame the people as a whole - myself included.






    I have the same problem with the Usurper, ObamaCare (and all entitlement programs for that matter) and the Patriot Act...

    THEY ARE ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL...

    "Our tenet ever was that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated, and that, as it was never meant that they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers, so it could not have been meant they should raise money for purposes which the enumeration did not place under their action; consequently, that the specification of powers is a limitation of the purposes for which they may raise money. ."
    -- Thomas Jefferson letter to Albert Gallatin, 1817

    Tenth Amendment:
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    U.S.C. TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 47 1001.
    (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, WHOEVER, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
    (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by ANY trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
    (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
    (3) makes or USES any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
    (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party's counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
    (c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—
    (1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
    (2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.







    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsdinTexas View Post
    Rayven says:
    "he has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii which makes him eligible for the presidency according to the Constitution. I'm not going to argue that because that is fact. You can see the document online with a simple google search."

    Yeah, like I am going to believe what I see on google

    Usurper? Maybe, maybe not - but it's obvious he and his pals have an agenda that is not in the interest of the American people.

    What I do believe is that he never expected to win, and now he doesn't have a clue as to what to do, and never will. And I won't give him the chance to figure it out on my dime.
    After thinking it over, I decided I was wrong - BO knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and he's doing it to you and me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsdinTexas View Post
    After thinking it over, I decided I was wrong - BO knows EXACTLY what he is doing, and he's doing it to you and me.
    +1 Obama, his czars, Reid, Pelosi and all of the other progressives in D.C. have a specific agenda -- to fundamentally change our beloved Constitutional Republic into a Socialist/Communist country. Unless "We the People" can halt their progress and turn things around, the nation, in which we grew up, won't be recognizable in a few years.
    Conservative Wife & Mom -- I'm a Conservative Christian-American with dual citizenship...the Kingdom of God is my 1st home and the U.S.A. is my 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    +1 Obama, his czars, Reid, Pelosi and all of the other progressives in D.C. have a specific agenda -- to fundamentally change our beloved Constitutional Republic into a Socialist/Communist country. Unless "We the People" can halt their progress and turn things around, the nation, in which we grew up, won't be recognizable in a few years.
    I heard it said today on Rush that Obama's is not merely an ADMINISTRATION; it is a REGIME.

    TFO
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    Quote Originally Posted by rayven View Post
    These types of comments are actually part of the problem.

    First, Obama isn't a usurper. Second, he isn't a Muslim (never was). And third, he has a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii which makes him eligible for the presidency according to the Constitution. I'm not going to argue that because that is fact. You can see the document online with a simple google search.

    Ok, now that that's out of the way...

    The problem isn't that there is a liberal in office, or that liberals control the legislative branch of government. Hell, conservatives had control most of the time with George Bush Jr., and spending was insanely high with a major loss of personal liberties and freedoms along with an erosion of law. Obama is just continuing the trend. He's not worse than GWB - he essentially is GWB's third term.

    The problem is "we the people". When the PATRIOT Act came around, we should have all been up in arms about it, forcing government to back off. When the bailouts happened, we should have, at least, demanded that regulations come with them to stop this economic free-fall from ever happening again. If you want to go back in time, we should have fought against the switch from gold and silver backed currency to fiat currency, backed up by nothing more than shady dealings by big bankers. We should have fought against illegally giving control of our money supply to the Federal Reserve, a private banking group (we still could right this wrong, but we won't).

    So it isn't a question of those in government screwing things up. "We The People" elected these idiots. And instead of holding them accountable and demanding real change, we sit back and watch Survivor and fight amongst ourselves over trivial matters.

    If a new civil war does break out, I would blame the people as a whole - myself included.
    I respectfully agree on one point. Americans elected Obama and are now suffering the consequences. As far as being a Muslim, I have no idea. Certainly you wouldn't say he is or is not a Muslim based on his own statements.......I mean the man thinks "truth" is a toy to be manipulated. He has said that he is not a Marxist or socialist.........do you believe him, based on his leadership and child rearing? If I never attend a Baptist church, can you say I am not a Baptist in ideology?

    And as for as Americans not doing anything. My gosh, congress has been flooded with phone calls, e-mails, and letters in an attempt to stop the health-care reform. I wrote my congress person asking them to vote no on the coporate bail-out and congress was flooded with contacts about that issue.

    Attorney Generals are filing law suits to declare the health care take over unconstitutional. Bascially we have a congress that has said "hey, sit down and shut up, cause we don't care what you want". Any other legal ideas about what the American people should be doing?

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    Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama

    Barack Obama's DREAMS FROM MY FATHER:A STORY OF RACE AND INHERITANCE.

    Pages 100-101
    To avoid being mistaken for a sellout,I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy.When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints.We weren't indifferent or careless or insecure.We were alienated...

    Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama


    Does Barack Obama Believe in Socialism, Marxism, and Communism? Does "CHANGE" represent Barack Obama's long term goal of "ISM" for the US? Our Future?

    Why would I ask these questions? This is why:

    Part 1 - Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism

    1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism
    - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land.
    Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit

    2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune

    3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR)- "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times

    4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member)
    - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

    5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com “The person who made me proudest of all,” Obama wrote, “was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily

    6. Obama Attended Socialist Conferences at Cooper Union - "He went to socialist conferences at Cooper Union and African cultural fairs in Brooklyn and started lecturing his relatives until they worried he'd become "one of those freaks you see on the streets around here." Source: H Kennedy, NY Daily News

    7. Obama Was Hand Picked by Alice Palmer to Succeed Her in the Illinois State Senate - "Nine years before Palmer picked Obama to be her successor, she was the only African-American journalist to travel to the Soviet Union to attend the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, according to an article Palmer wrote in the CPUSA newspaper, People's Daily World, June 19, 1986." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)

    8. Obama's Run for the Illinois State Senate was Launched by a Fundraiser Organized at Bill Ayers' and Bernardine Dorhn's Chicago Home - Ayers and Dorhn are former terrorists from the Weather Underground who's SDS organization received financial contributions from the CPUSA. "Obama's run for the Illinois state Senate was launched by a fundraiser organized at Ayers' and Dorhn's Chicago home by Alice Palmer. Palmer had named Obama to succeed her in the state Senate in 1995, when she decided to run for a U.S. congressional seat." Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein)




    9. Obama Had a Close Relationship with the "Anti-Capitalist" Group ACORN - "Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn)...Chicago Acorn appears to have played a major role in Obama’s political advance...Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Source: Stanley Kurtz, National Review

    10. Obama Attended Several Meetings with the Democratic Socialists in Chicago and Was even Endorsed by Them - "
    Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "In its broadest sense, democratic socialism could refer to any attempts to bring about socialism through democratic means as opposed to violent insurrection." Source: Wikipedia

    11. Obama Endorsed Openly Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders - Video " "Sanders is the first self-described socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate." Source: Wikipedia

    12. Many Obama Supporters Idolize Che Guervara - Obama Campaign Worker Seen With Communist Cuba Flag Depicting Marxist Che Guevara on it. Source: David Benzion, Lone Star Times


    "Guevara later served as Minister of Industries, in which post he helped formulate Cuban socialism...Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities." Source: Wikipedia

    More "Che" fans from Obama's site:

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    13. The Communist Party USA Endorsed Obama -"Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." Source: CPUSA Website (This line has since been removed from the CPUSA website) - Search for this quote. Also see THIS post on the CPUSA blog...


    Then we have this blog on mybarackobama.com (Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama):



    From the blog: "Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama - This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency...We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people! Source: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama Source: Aaron Klein, WorldNetDaily

    14. Obama's Church is Rooted in Liberation Theology which is Rooted in Marxism - " The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology" Source: TUCC Website "Simply put, Liberation Theology is an attempt to interpret Scripture through the plight of the poor. It is largely a humanistic doctrine. It started in South America in the turbulent 1950's when Marxism was making great gains among the poor because of its emphasis on the redistribution of wealth, allowing poor peasants to share in the wealth of the colonial elite and thus upgrade their economic status in life." Source: gotquestions.org


    15. Obama's Opening Band - The band that opened for Obama's Oregon rally (The Decemberists) is named after an 1825 revolt over the Imperial Russian succession (Decembrist revolt) that Meloy views as an attempted communist revolution. They also open many of their shows by playing the Soviet National Anthem... Source: Jeff Johnson, OneNewsNow Source: Jerome R. Corsi, WorldNetDaily Source: Oleg Atbashian, Pajamasmedia

    More FACTS on the Usurper in Chief...
    Socialism, Marxism, Communism & Obama

    "The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke

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