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    Good Advice Against a Con Con
    by Phyllis Schlafly April 9, 2010
    Suggestions that the United States call a new constitutional convention, as allowed in the Constitution's Article V, have popped up in some state legislatures and even on a page in the Wall Street Journal. No longer do these voices claim a convention can be limited to consideration of a single amendment (e.g., a Balanced Budget Amendment); grandstanding politicians are proposing a wide assortment of many amendments to produce big changes.

    Speaking to us from across the years, the Father of the U.S. Constitution, James Madison, wrote this warning on November 2, 1788, against calling another general constitutional convention.

    "If a General Convention were to take place for the avowed and sole purpose of revising the Constitution, it would naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress appointed to administer and support as well as to amend the system; it would consequently give greater agitation to the public mind; an election into it would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides; it would probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric.

    "Under all these circumstances it seems scarcely to be presumable that the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony, or terminate in the general good. Having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under every propitious circumstance, I should tremble for the result of a Second, meeting in the present temper of America, and under all the disadvantages I have mentioned."

    Madison's prophetic warnings against a general convention to amend our Constitution (now colloquially called a Con Con) are even more compelling today. Let's examine them.

    1. A new convention would "naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress" to amend the Constitution. Indeed, that's exactly what the Con Con advocates want: a convention to do what Congress won't do.

    2. A Con Con would "give greater agitation to the public mind." Indeed, a Con Con would attract dozens of groups agitating for various changes, creating a bigger media event even than a presidential election and dominated by Mainstream Media and theatrical demonstrators.

    3. The election of Con Con delegates "would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides." Although Nancy Pelosi would probably be in charge of the numbers and apportionment of Con Con delegates, their election would surely attract "violent partisans on both sides" of many issues.

    4. The Con Con would "probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters . . . heated men of all parties." Think a repeat performance of the way the Obama crowd turned out voters in 2008 through his "Organizing for America." Think ACORN, illegal voters and vote frauds.

    5. The Con Con "would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts . . . might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations" of our Constitution. A Con Con would, indeed, be a big attraction for individuals of "insidious" and "dangerous" views that could eat away at the foundations of liberty and a sovereign independent republic.

    These would include pressure groups seeking an elimination of the Second Amendment, global governance through treaty law, deletion of the provision that requires a two-thirds majority of Senators to ratify treaties (the favorite change urged by the Council on Foreign Relations), the addition of new constitutional rights (such as same-sex marriage and health care), elimination of the Electoral College, and other "insidious" and "dangerous" changes.

    6. We could not presume that "the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony." "Harmony"? You must be dreaming! Indeed, it would be a wild and raucous political event of world-class magnitude.

    Have you ever attended a hotly contested Republican or Democratic National Nominating Convention? Think the Democrats in Chicago in 1968 or Republicans in San Francisco in 1964 or Chicago in 1952. Now imagine the Obama demonstrators and the John McCain demonstrators trying to agree on language to adopt.

    7. Madison trembled for the result of another convention in the "temper of America" in his time. We should, indeed, tremble for the result "in the present temper of America." Think Obama's proclaimed goal of "fundamentally transforming the United States of America."

    8. Madison reminded us that the first Constitutional Convention "assembled under every propitious circumstance." Those propitious circumstances included having George Washington as convention chairman. Somehow, we don't see any George Washington or James Madison today, and we don't want to put our fate in the hands of men who think they can improve on the work of George Washington and James Madison.
    By faith Noah,being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear,prepared an ark to the saving of his house;by the which he condemned the world,and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith Heb.11:7

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    I agree. In this day and age with the media and the current administration in power It would scare me. November will be a good thermometer for the temperature in this country. Send the Democraps packing and begin to undo the damage...

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    A slippery slope, indeed. Let's just demand that our leaders (employees) in Washington uphold the Constitution, in its present form. All I expect from Congress is that they preserve the Constitutional Republic that our Founders devised, with the help of Almighty God. I'm sick of "change" -- we need to return to the "basics"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative Wife & Mom View Post
    A slippery slope, indeed. Let's just demand that our leaders (employees) in Washington uphold the Constitution, in its present form. All I expect from Congress is that they preserve the Constitutional Republic that our Founders devised, with the help of Almighty God. I'm sick of "change" -- we need to return to the "basics"!
    Yes.

    There's nothing wrong with the Constitution we have. We need to make certain our politicians respect and follow it.

    If we call for a Constitutional convention there is no way to predict what it might produce.
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    I agree. In this day and age with the media and the current administration in power It would scare me. November will be a good thermometer for the temperature in this country. Send the Democraps packing and begin to undo the damage...

    Peace...
    Well, let me poke the hive a little; please keep in mind that I am a true Constitutional conservative.

    While I agree that the Democrats are, and have been, WAY off in their philosophy and approach to governance in this country, at least I can see who they are and where they stand. They are absolutely, positively WRONG, but they are not fooling anybody (hear me, Pelosi?)

    With the Republicans, I am much more ambivalent. I mean, much of what they SAY is the right thing, but much of what they DO goes against the very concepts of freedom and liberty. (Hello! Patriot Act, anyone?)

    The Democrats want to quash my second amendment right. You know it, they know it, and I know it. No big mystery. Never mind that the second amendment informs ALL of the others. Without it, the government will not be forced to comply with our rights.

    However, it was under a Republican regime, namely "W"'s, that impeded my FIRST amendment right of free speech and dissent with his disgusting "free speech zones" for protesters that basically moved dissent out of the public eye. It was under "W" that we learned of the "enhanced interrogation" being performed on prisoners. While there are lots of reasons to torture, and I do believe that is probably effective, the biggest reason NOT to torture is because IT IS WRONG.

    Lest we forget, the ends (lives saved, property protected) DO NOT justify the means. We do what we do because it is RIGHT, not because it is expedient. We are the "White Hat" team. The reason that the entire world looked to us for leadership and sustenance over the last century is because we were the good guys. We talked a good story, and for the most part, we lived the way we talked. We really had moral superiority because we really WERE better than the Nazi's, the Japanese (govt. of the time), and the Soviets.

    I've said it before, and I will say it again: The RIGHT way is almost never the EASY way.

    Maybe it is just me, but I just don't believe the Republicans anymore. Granted, most of the "R" candidates are better choices than the "D" candidates, but I am so tired of voting for the lessor evil. Where are the real American heroes? Ron Paul is one, IMHO, but he won't live forever. I just don't see a good end in sight. Yet.

    BUT I WILL BE SEEING MY USACARRY HOMIES NEXT WEEK IN D.C.!
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    I hope and pray that the Tea Party Movement will bring the GOP back in line with the Conservative platform. We are sick of RINOs. Our beloved country is in deep trouble...and it's only going to get worse, until and unless the Republican Party steps up, takes a stand against the progressives and endorses true Constitutional Conservative Statesmen to run for office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomboy007 View Post
    Well, let me poke the hive a little; please keep in mind that I am a true Constitutional conservative.

    While I agree that the Democrats are, and have been, WAY off in their philosophy and approach to governance in this country, at least I can see who they are and where they stand. They are absolutely, positively WRONG, but they are not fooling anybody (hear me, Pelosi?)

    With the Republicans, I am much more ambivalent. I mean, much of what they SAY is the right thing, but much of what they DO goes against the very concepts of freedom and liberty. (Hello! Patriot Act, anyone?)

    The Democrats want to quash my second amendment right. You know it, they know it, and I know it. No big mystery. Never mind that the second amendment informs ALL of the others. Without it, the government will not be forced to comply with our rights.

    However, it was under a Republican regime, namely "W"'s, that impeded my FIRST amendment right of free speech and dissent with his disgusting "free speech zones" for protesters that basically moved dissent out of the public eye. It was under "W" that we learned of the "enhanced interrogation" being performed on prisoners. While there are lots of reasons to torture, and I do believe that is probably effective, the biggest reason NOT to torture is because IT IS WRONG.

    Lest we forget, the ends (lives saved, property protected) DO NOT justify the means. We do what we do because it is RIGHT, not because it is expedient. We are the "White Hat" team. The reason that the entire world looked to us for leadership and sustenance over the last century is because we were the good guys. We talked a good story, and for the most part, we lived the way we talked. We really had moral superiority because we really WERE better than the Nazi's, the Japanese (govt. of the time), and the Soviets.

    I've said it before, and I will say it again: The RIGHT way is almost never the EASY way.

    Maybe it is just me, but I just don't believe the Republicans anymore. Granted, most of the "R" candidates are better choices than the "D" candidates, but I am so tired of voting for the lessor evil. Where are the real American heroes? Ron Paul is one, IMHO, but he won't live forever. I just don't see a good end in sight. Yet.

    BUT I WILL BE SEEING MY USACARRY HOMIES NEXT WEEK IN D.C.!
    Ahhh.. Well no... I have little trust in anyone who wishes to fill public office for the most part. Some begin the trek with the best of intentions in mind and get lost somewhere along the trip. So just simply removing all the Demonrats from office for the sake of replacing them with Republicans because it's the opposite side of the coin is a dangerous idea as well. Agreed...

    Paying more attention to the entire platform for each candidate is the key. Choose the ones who best represent the Constitution and The Bill of Rights as they are. Uncorrupted, Strong building blocks not editable documents to be changed to suite the wind direction...

    Will see Ya'll in DC. PM me with a cell number if you wish so we can communicate when time gets close.

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    I'll seek cover in case it goes badly..

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    The way I see it, ALL GOVERNMENT THAT EXISTS IS WRONG!!! Its just that simple. There is no way the a Socialist Society, Dictatorship, Constitutional Republic or any form of government will work. And before any one says anything about how Democracy works, remember we don't live in a Democracy. The founding fathers knew that while a person is smart and will do the right thing, people in groups are stupid. The "Mob Effect" comes into action real quick. I personally don't like Government of any kind, but like banks and Fire Departments, they are neccessary in order to get things done.

    Also, America is really young as a country. Compared to the rest of the "Civilized World" (Europe, China, India, Rome [I know Rome is a city that doesn't have any power anymore but hey I was a History Major .]) we are due for a uprising and new government taking power. Thats the way the world has always worked.

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