Stop Kennedy-McCain Gun Control in 2008! AND BEYOND!

[HK4U]

I think it was funny that the owner put terriost insurance on it 6 months earlier, why not when it first was attacted ? Lots of people shorted their stockmarket moneys that day. Where are all the videos of the plane that hit the pentagon. Questions linger and uncle sam has the answers. Do not hold info back and be forth coming to your citizens. WE are the Owners of this company and FBI,ATF all and government is here to support us not us support them. I do not distrust my government and I expect the same in return.I do question the size and the waste. Retired from the system.

If we always believe everything the government tells us then they have us right where they want us. Big Brother wants us to never, never question him. Be good little sheep. Kind of like the sci-fi movie THEY LIVE. "Submit,sleep,never question". Was there more to meets the eye or have we been told the complete truth about 911. Each one of us will have to judge that for ourselves but what ever your conclusions are on that subject one thing is clearand that is we have been lied to before and we will be lied to again.

[Bohemian]

If we always believe everything the government tells us then they have us right where they want us. Big Brother wants us to never, never question him. Be good little sheep. Kind of like the sci-fi movie THEY LIVE. "Submit,sleep,never question". Was there more to meets the eye or have we been told the complete truth about 911. Each one of us will have to judge that for ourselves but what ever your conclusions are on that subject one thing is clearand that is we have been lied to before and we will be lied to again.

Agreed, that we have been lied to before and will be lied to again, but not about 911 or the New World Order Spin...
Sometimes we have been lied to for valid reasons; E.G.: Loose Lips Sink Ships... Sometimes not; E.G.: "No I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman"...

The media and general public do not need to know, nor should matters of national security...

[Jay]

well, I'm curious....... there have been many faults, derisions, lies, accusations, misconceptions, conceptions, and several simple opinions brought forth in this thread.... but I haven't seen one viable solution for anything.

Do we mount an insurrection ?
Do we join those who run screaming in circles ?
Do we hid our heads in the sand and see who wins ?
Do we put on our tin foil hats and squat out of sight ?


Do we continue to preach to the choir, or turn our efforts towards those folks (right or wrong) who make the laws that we have to live by, tolerate, endure or whatever your opinion is? Too many people focus on ranting to those in agreement with them, and ignoring those who can make a difference. Discussion is easy, but formulating a solution instead of crying about the lack of a solution requires more than being anti-everything that currently exists.

[Bohemian]

Well since the topic of this thread is...
'Stop Kennedy-McCain Gun Control in 2008! AND BEYOND!'
read first post in this thread to review...

I will attempt to get back to it in my response in regards to the previous post...

What we can do right here, right now is STOP John gun-grabbing, amnesty loving McCain!

http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

And support Mike Huckabee while he still has a chance at beating Ted Kennedy's brother from another mother Juan McCain...

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home
https://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAc...ontribute.Home

[Jay]

Unless McCain withdraws, I doubt seriously that Huckabee will get the nomination. That leaves either Hildebeast, or Osama, against McCain. Now what?

No President can create and pass legislation without Congress. The election isn't gonna make all that much difference. The amount of influence that can be exerted on Congress by way of grassroots efforts, and individual communications is virtually the only peaceful way to effect any sort of reasonable improvement. The days of 80% of gun owners sitting on their butts and being politically served by 20% of gun owners who are actively communicating with elected officials is over. It's easy to ***** to those who agree with you, now ***** where it will do some good.

[tattedupboy]

Well since the topic of this thread is...
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And support Mike Huckabee while he still has a chance at beating Ted Kennedy's brother from another mother Juan McCain...

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home
https://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAc...ontribute.Home

You can't possibly be serious, could you? Mike Huckabee's so-called "fair tax" plan would institute a 23% national sales tax on all consumer goods. I don't know about you, but I'm a working class man and there is no way I can afford that.

Really, if you're a freedom lover, gun owner or not, there really are no good choices between the Republican and Democratic candidates. Sure, Ron Paul and the libertarian candidate, whoever he is, would be good choices, but realistically, we all know that the next president will be either a Republican other than Ron Paul or a Democrat. What do we do?

[toreskha]

I think it was funny that the owner put terriost insurance on it 6 months earlier, why not when it first was attacted ?

The WTC had just recently changed ownership. New owners buy new insurance based on what they think their risk assessment is. Do you have any documentation showing the new "terrorist insurance" policy?

Lots of people shorted their stockmarket moneys that day.

Stocks sold on 9/11 was not particularly unusual when compared to other days of the time period.

Where are all the videos of the plane that hit the pentagon.

There's only one, and it only shows a blur because the plane was going really fast. Most videos of the WTC are of the second plane, because people started taking videos after the first one hit. No one was standing around randomly taking video footage of the Pentagon - which makes perfect sense. In fact, if there were some clear video of a plane hitting, then that would be more suspicious.

Questions linger

Not really...they've pretty much all been answered. Again, watch Loose Change - it does a great job of refuting itself.

Here's a long page with pictures and arrows supposedly refuting the notion that a large aircraft hit the Pentagon. In fact, it betrays the author's ignorance concerning the design of light poles, and what happens when they fall. The light poles are broken cleanly because they're designed to do that when hit by a car, on the theory that a downed pole is better than a dead driver. When a light pole is hit (and you can see the massive dents in these) it breaks cleanly at the base. Since these were hit by a huge, fast-moving object, they were propelled along and ended up facing the Pentagon.

When examined closely, each of the elements of 9/11 checks out completely with the official story, which is also the correct story.

[tattedupboy]

well I guess this isn't the thread to be talking about it in. sure planes hit the building and no one said anything about the videos being only imaginary. but there is no way that all the buildings that fell could fall so uniform without something else helping them fall so perfectly. and why were the streets showered with a fine dust? if a building is going to fall under stress then there are going to be large chunks of the building showering all over the place. fires caused by the planes are not going to turn the building materials into dust. also what about wtc building 7? it was not struck by an aircraft.. and it did not have raging fires.. yet it also came down so perfectly calapsing in on itself just as a controled demolition.but as pointed out before this is not the thread for it. maybe a new one should be started for an interesting discussion and diffferent views on the subject.

I have evidence and science on my side. Where's your evidence? Until you can produce some, everything you and all the other conspiracy theorists are saying is speculation, plain and simple.

[Bohemian]

You can't possibly be serious, could you? Mike Huckabee's so-called "fair tax" plan would institute a 23% national sales tax on all consumer goods. I don't know about you, but I'm a working class man and there is no way I can afford that.

Really, if you're a freedom lover, gun owner or not, there really are no good choices between the Republican and Democratic candidates. Sure, Ron Paul and the libertarian candidate, whoever he is, would be good choices, but realistically, we all know that the next president will be either a Republican other than Ron Paul or a Democrat. What do we do?

I am dead serious!

Not only is what you are concerned about in regards to the Fair Tax, not accurate; HUCKABEE is the only candidate from any party, including those whom have withdrawn already; whom has a perfect second amendment support record, the only canidate with a CCW and the first governor in the U.S. with a CCW. Further, Mike Huckabee has always had the highest combined rating of the NRA and the GOA of any canidate running from any party... Moreover, Mike Huckabee has been a member of the NRA over 4 decades!
Ron Paul - does not own a gun; sold us out on the second amendment...
Juan McCain - does not own a gun; sold us out on the second amendment...
Barack Hussein Obama - does not own a gun; sold us out on the second amendment...
http://gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm
Billary Clinton - does not own a gun; sold us out on the second amendment...
http://gunowners.org/pres08/clinton.htm

What many people do not know about the fair tax is that there is a embedded 20-23% corporate tax on everything we buy before it is ever put on the shelves; for us to be purchased and
taxed again on at the state and local levels...

ALL EMBEDDED TAXES GO AWAY with the fair tax...

It is also a disincentive for existing illegal aliens to not come forward and potential future illegal aliens to not come forward as ONLY U.S. Citizens are eligible for the monthly pre-bate that is part of the fair tax initiative...

The fair tax initiative would also finally force the criminals, illegals, drug dealers and rich to pay their FAIR TAX, something which no other system provides a solution to...

The M.I.T, Stanford, Harvard, and Yale engineered Fair Tax Initiative would ABOLISH THE IRS!

Educate yourself on the the fair tax initiative:
http://www.fairtax.org/

Mike Huckabee is also the ONLY canidate including those whom have withdrew already to sign a "NO AMNESTY PLEDGE" on camera!
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAct...w&Blog_id=1206

This election does matter!

If a democrat gets elected or McCain gets elected we are in a world full of hurt; as right now the house, senate and supreme court have a liberal, left, democrat majority...

Having someone like Huckabee in there we would at least know that no amnesty, gun control and stinking free trade agreements would be in our future for at least the next 4-8 years; which is about all we can hope for...

Additionally, if Huckabee wins Texas and Ohio at least he can force a brokered convention; and all the uncommited, unbound, and other delegates available, now that their respective candidates have withdrew; are up for grabs; but only if there is a brokered convention...

There is enough to get Huckabee the nomination via the convention if at least Texas and Ohio go for Huckabee; and we UNITE behind the only Republican whom has a chance of beating McCain this time around...

Mike Huckabee - Standing Tall For The Second Amendment:
http://gunowners.org/pres08/huckabee.htm

Juan McCain - Selling Out The Second Amendment:
http://gunowners.org/pres08/mccain.htm
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

Best Candidate on Immigration Reform?:
Mike Huckabee
http://www.NumbersUSA.com/

Worst Candidate(s) on Immigration Reform?:
Juan McCain
Barack Hussein Obama
Billary Clinton

Mike Huckabee on the issues, polices and values:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.Home

The Facts on the false, baseless, and misleading attacks on Mike Huckabee by second amendment sell-outs - Mitt Romney(withdrew), Fred Thompson(withdrew), Ron Paul and others:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=TruthSquad.Home

How much is it worth to you to know that there would be no amnesty and your second amendment rights would be secure for the next 4-8 years?
https://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAc...ontribute.Home

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/

[The Gunny]

Unless McCain withdraws, I doubt seriously that Huckabee will get the nomination. That leaves either Hildebeast, or Osama, against McCain. Now what?

No President can create and pass legislation without Congress. The election isn't gonna make all that much difference. The amount of influence that can be exerted on Congress by way of grassroots efforts, and individual communications is virtually the only peaceful way to effect any sort of reasonable improvement. The days of 80% of gun owners sitting on their butts and being politically served by 20% of gun owners who are actively communicating with elected officials is over. It's easy to ***** to those who agree with you, now ***** where it will do some good.

I agree 100% I am onboard with this idea. Now how do we go about getting the 80% of un-involved gun owners onboard? I think the NRA is the biggest institution we have currently. How about a recruiting drive? I mention them because they are the biggest and currently have the infrastructure to handle things in the near term however there are others out there too like GOA etc. Now what could be done to get more input or involvement on the part of the unmotivated 80%.

Only thing I can come up with is membership drives perhaps offering discount memberships at shooting ranges etc. What else can we come up with?