Recieved this in e-mail Something worth thinking about

[Seeya]

I'm trying to decide if the "race war" is any more legitimate than the "class war" or the "gender war" or the "religious war" because it appears that all of them are happening now, and all of them SHOULD be preventing Obama from getting re-elected; but I guess we'll see. This email / below, is an example of one of those. My only thought about it is: Where would I go to show my gratitude to America, if I wanted to? :)

Subject: Something worth thinking about.To:





The White Side of the Story of Negroes

This is the reason CNN has dropped Buchanan. It's like Newt G. said the other night in the debate. You're not supposed to bring up uncomfortable facts. (verified on Buchanan's website)

BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
Finally............ it is said publicly. I have never seen the white side explained better!
Pat Buchanan had the guts to say it. It is about time.


BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America
needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into
a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever
known.. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food
stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs
designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic
groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids...? Is white America really responsible for the fact
that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America ’s fault that
illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white
criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the
reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a
message everyone needs to hear!!!

OK........... Will you pass it on?

YES. I did but will you?

Because I'm for a better America

I am
Not racist,
Not violent,
Just not silent anymore

[fstroupe]

Pat Buchanan has never been accused of failing to say what is on his mind. Which has pretty much made him persona non grata in the Republican party, and for MSNBC finally letting him go this past February.

It's OK for him to talk about race, since he has been accused of being a racist since the 2000 primaries, for two reasons....hiring an attorney that happened to have worked for David Duke, and supporting/membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans (an organization of men who have ancestors that were Confederate soldiers in the Civil War, of which I am also a member....Pat had ancestors from Mississippi). He has also been accused of being anti-Semitic for decades, actually that is why MSNBC finally let him go.

Unfortunately, Pat isn't taken very seriously anymore, by pretty much anyone. His sister, "Bay" Buchanan, enjoys a much higher favorability rating than Pat.

As far as the email, Pat is usually on point, whether one likes it or not.

GO PAT GO!!!

[suckerfree]

Seeya, i respect your post and how you feel but id like to inform you of a few things (im sure nothing i say will change your view but maybee when answering these things youll see another side).
#1, im american, come from a military family and currently live about 25min from ft bragg and have thee UPMOST love for this country but NO America HASNT been the best country for blacks, and its a great country(the best to me) but its still not. Canada has had blacks in their country for almost ever and never really had large scale "plantation" style slave trades. Other countries around the world that havent had years of segregation are less racist as a society as well. Now dont get me wrong i Love being an american but just as America isnt the best place for a "white person" its far from the best for Any minority.

#2 you talk about blacks being brought here and reaching the "greatest prosperity blacks have ever known",,,, thats a very bold statement considering all of the great things that have come out of africa throughout time. things that cannot be replicated or explained to this day.....the whole regin(uh, i can just name egypt). Never mind the fact that Alot of the slaves were royalty and had civilizations of there own.

#3 Do you know when segregation ended? If i tell you blacks have been allowed to do the same things with the same freedom as you for less that 70 yrs would that explain a few set backs black and other minorities have had? do you know that the tuskegee experiment ended in 1972...how old are you??

You ask is it white americas fault for blacks educational problems, well heres how it works. If theres been decades of supression, unequality, low pay, discrimination and harrasment,,decades and decades well then you have parents who have to work and cant "help kids with the homework" you have kids who have to drop out to feed them selves, you have schools that are underfunded.....these are typically in poor communities

now if a poor community that has a school thats been up for 40yrs and all ot the money they recieve is to upkeep the school and they cant get new books or new computers or nice small class rooms,, how do you think they can compete with anew school in a nice subdevelopment that has NEW everything,,and still gets funding? now you tell that poor kid his chances and his opportunities are the same as the suburban kid. he does but he "really needs certain help".

i really think youd be surprised at the number of white poeple who cant read. education goes hand in hand with poverty, not a race thing at all.

as far as your crime statistics that goes back to the education and enviornment. of course it seems like a black is more likely to rob or rape a white person than vice versa because of the numbers. the same can be said of white vs any race. i can also ask you, how many unarmed white people have been shot in self defense by a minority. and not just because this case in the media now, but it happens every few years, by cops alot. how many police brutality cases are there against white cops, wrongful convictions? Do a search and see if a white man and black commit a crime who gets the more severe time? and do you think a "black" teenager or drop out is sophisticated enough to set up multimillion dollar drug shipments using private planes submarines and ships? c'mon now Do you think a black thug is really getting all of these illegal firearms from manufacturers and selling them in the streets and to the mexican cartels? c'mon but if no ones looking for the suburban guy then we have petty street crooks in jail(black,latino) and the cycle keeps spinning

it goes both ways but there are reasons for alot of the problems monorities face,, im 32 and anyone my age or older's parents might remember segregation

imagine how a black persons grandfathers life was compared to yours....seriously think about the cross burnings, firebombings ect you see images of......its not that long ago

its not really a race thing, its an eauality thing. you can actually insert damn near any minority in there and it looks the same

[Seeya]

@suckerfree, Pat Bucannan is the author. I too come from a Service family and served myself. My Partner on jobs was Black and I inherted some of his tools. Melvin past away at 62 still a young man. He never assumed anything. I was in Montgomery, Alabama for the riot's in the sixties. I was called white trash in the sixties. Melvin if he were alive would put you in your place. I haven't even read all of your post because of the way you started out. Seems you have some issues to deal with. Your handle says alot about you and your attitude.

[fuhr52]

Ok suckerfree, let's say your spot on. So what is the answer. Keep throwing money at the issue? Give every minority that isn't white a job and provide them with free to them health care. Give them free to them transportation? Bus them to any school of their choice? Provide them room and board at no charge to them? At what point does personal responsibility come into play? At what point do we put the past to rest and move on? It's real easy to point the finger of blame. Nothing is free, some were along the way this has to be paid for by someone. The people that make it in this world can put the past behind them and move on. I don't mean to imply forgetting the past, we don't want to make the same mistakes. The fact remains and it's been that way throughout history, those that have, will control those that don't have. Get over it. Do you really think that the socialist leaders of the world care if their subjects have food on the table or a roof over there heads? If that was true why are there people being fenced in to keep them there? Continue to stick your hand out to society and you become a slave to society. America, with all it's faults, is still the land of opportunity, take advantage of it or loose it.

[suckerfree]

1st off let me say this.......At no point in my post did i say anything about any hand outs, giving money to people with hand outs and not accepting personal responsibility.

My post was strictly answering questions as to WHY things are the way they are. i said multiple times in my post its more about equality, not race. you cant just say, black are all on welfare, or are drop outs, or committ all these crimes without going in to why things are like this. no one said throw money at any issue.

if you say over 80% of the prison population is black, well also understand that if a white person does the same crime, he generally gets less time in prison. so yes there will be more blacks and latinos, as the white person probably got out already. If you say blacks are all drug dealers then understand how the drug trade works and what that "black thug" is in jail for(probably less than 50 buck worth of drugs) now where is the guys who has the private boat and planes to move the contraband?

I typed answers to a question a reasoning for it. it not about race its about equality.

there are plenty of ways to fix the issue, but blaming a race and saying they should be thankful for being here and this is the best thing to ever happen to a black person is beyond me.....im sure Melvin would have put you in your place about that.

Education is the main thing to help out ANY race of people. dont give people hand outs(not sure why folks think blacks want hand outs, like whites havent been on and continue to stay on welfare) All races abuse the welfare system from blacks in the hood, to polygamist in utah on a compound(read up on this please)

@fuhr52,,, they only way we can fix it is by discussions like this and by educating our youth,, but a bad apple is a bad apple red or green.


can i ask you both a question,, if a poor white kid goes to a school thats using books from the 80s, the shcool is run down, doesnt have the best technology, teachers stressed(not thr fault) AND this kid has to work so he can have food and clothes and do things teenagers do. add to the fact that his mom works 2 jobs, and he has brothers or sisters.
With a straight face you can honestly think you can just "tell" that kid his chances of becoming something meaningful are just as good as the kid who lives "across the tracks", who has his own computer, after school tutoring, mayb a part time job, if it doesnt interfere with his schooling. i wont even mention the things these kids see on a daily just to GET to the school or home from the school. see this isnt a black thing, because this is typical in alot of white communities..esp in aplace like west virginia, or other mountainous places.

you dont throw money at the people, you fix the problem.....and imho the biggest problem is the difference in lower income schools vs middle and upper middle class schools, and a school should be equal no matter where your from.

hows this next time your feelin like someone wants a handout or blacks should just be thankful, go to an inner city school and ask a "white" teacher how things can change and theyll tell you,, better schools. donate your old computers to an inner city school(plenty of whites go to um also),, voluteer at one.. enroll your kid in a program that has kids from these schools,, maybee hearing you kid talk about how thankful her or she is will get you going in the right direction.

@fstroupe i tried to start off my post being respectful, i never said anything ill toward you, or think i offended you...ill continue to act that way. as far as my name suckerfree,, i tend to live my life like that. they say a suckers born evey min,,,,i tend to stay away from those types of people. i like people who think before they act, aswell take accountability for what they do, typically not a sucker. and i did take the time to read all of your post, if i was going to respond to it i own you and myself that much to read what im posting about. not sure how you can have a say on something you dont fully understand,,,,thats part of the problem aswell

[MamaLiberty]

The exact same thing applies to blacks or anyone caught in the coils of dependency and government "help." What we ALL need is self ownership, personal responsibility and freedom to help ourselves and each other voluntarily.

Indian Country
Indian Country’s American Nightmare
by Anthony B. Bradley

If anyone believes the federal government knows what is best for local communities, they should visit an American Indian Reservation. Native Americans are currently immersed in a health care and economic deprivation nightmare that is the consequence of government interference, inefficiency, and inhumane policies. The Native American narrative is one of government creating problems and then, in the name of offering solutions, making matters worse by depriving local communities of their autonomy.

According to research led by Jeffrey E. Holm, professor of psychology at the University of North Dakota School of Medicine, national data show that American Indians (AIs) have a lower life expectancy than other Americans. In fact, Holm reports, AIs die at higher rates than white Americans and most other ethnic minorities from cardiovascular disease, tuberculosis, alcoholism-related diseases, motor vehicle crashes, diabetes, unintentional injuries, homicide, and suicide. National data show that AIs have a higher prevalence of many risk behaviors including cigarette smoking, obesity, absence of leisure-time physical activity, and binge alcohol use. Many of the obesity and diabetes related pathologies have one root correlation: poor diet resulting from government programs.

[suckerfree]

@mamaliberty,,,,great link you provided for the AI communnity, it kind of makes the same point i was trying to make. that this isnt a "black" issue, but an educational disadvantage and systematic dependacy.

Now if the article holds true, a child from a NI household and going to an underfunded school in a cash strapped NI community would need help the gov. wont give them.
It wouldnt be fair to expect the same out of this child than you would a child who has access to thing such as internet and a grown person period. this is how you have a cycle of poverty and dependance.

@fuhr52 the answer to me is Def. NOT throwing money at the matter per say....but money will be needed to better schools. money will be needed to patrol some schools areas after school(some kids go through hell just to get home from school) how about donating your next old computer to an underfunded school, want to donate anything, how about an underfunded school and you will see your community improve.

im in no way saying people should get handouts and live free(i clearly dont, and dont plan to) what im saying is, there are other factors for such things other than a skin tone. the same thing mamaliberties article is stating..A reason for the NI problems.