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    Quote Originally Posted by caper View Post
    Google Yuri Bezmenov. He was a KGB Information specialist who defected back in the late 70's I think. He lays out how a nation is subverted. The link below is just a short clip dealing with how they would plan to get next to prominent people in society which were instrumental in shaping public opinion, such as professors, actors, local politicians, newspaper types and the like and use them to subvert the culture of a nation. Some of the longer clips go into how, over a couple of generations, this method would actually short circuit a scocieties ability to think and make common sense decisions. Gee, some how the current popular ideas that we must "spend our way out of debt" and "pass the bill to see what's in it" come to mind as being less than prudent but yet are embraced by many as sound thinking..??? This is creepy but undeniably true and happening.

    The culture that once made America great has been subverted and few remnants remain. Have you ever heard someon say "Things just don't mean what they used to mean." There's a reason for that. Liberal progressivism is a cancer that eats away little by little the foundation upon which this country was built.

    Good stuff - nobody knew about nation-subversion better than the Soviets - thanks for link!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caper View Post
    This is creepy but undeniably true and happening.

    The culture that once made America great has been subverted and few remnants remain. Have you ever heard someon say "Things just don't mean what they used to mean." There's a reason for that. Liberal progressivism is a cancer that eats away little by little the foundation upon which this country was built.
    True and HAPPENED!

    Bottom line, liberalism/progressivism/whatever IS communism/Marxism/socialism/Maoism/Leninism/Stalinism/whatever. The American people have been programmed for 100 years to think that it is something different, but as we can see by Skousen's discovery, admittance by Bezmenov, and countless other proof now available, they are both one in the same.

    I don't remember when it was, somewhere I guess about 25 years ago, when it hit me. Things were much different then, because there was only one media and they weren't about to give you even a hint where they stood on this. Few realized that there was already a "media bias", though I had seen it in the 1984 election. No one would ever believe that those trustworthy men that brought the Evening News embraced something that would harm this country.

    Those that were publicly talking about it were far too nice about it....not wanting to overly offend their friends, colleagues, and others. The main two were Ronald Regan, and William F. Buckley, who was Regan's conservative guru:

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    It was hard to find others talking about it. Oh, they were out there, but unless you were in the correct circles, you probably didn't know about them. They all wrote thick, expensive hardbacked books that were buried in the nonfiction section of bookstores, and one looked just like another. These books were seldom reviewed, and never made the NYT bestseller list. Buckley was getting the word out there slowly but surely, and probably as quickly as the American public could stomach it. It is hard to make people believe that their heroes and loved ones who are buying the liberal goods are fools and Buckley spoon-fed us from his PBS show, "Firing Line", and his magazine, "National Review".

    Ronnie gave us some really awesome quotes but at the time we just really didn't understand what he meant. Today it is sickingly obvious how right he was.

    It was surprising that I discovered the truth at a fairly early age. I come from a "Solid South" democrat background where all politicians were democrats. My dad was a rarity, a union member living in that South. He was born during the depression (1933) and for the first 20 years of his life the entire American government was run by democrats. He grew up knowing that Herbert Hoover caused the depression and that FDR saved the world from it. By the time I was born he had already had a serious brainwashing from the union, I grew up in the house of a man who hated all "rich people" (which was pretty much anyone that had more than he did), and all republicans. Add to that the fact that I was really into the music of the 1960s which was very anti-conservative, and was enough of a nonconformist that I somewhat respected the hippies. But by 1977 I know that I understood enough about liberalism that I could read through three of my college professors that were pretty hardcore liberals, and actually withdrew from one class due to liberalism of the professor. He could not understand why I wanted to withdraw from a course that I had a 4-point average in. Especially since the course was required for my major. (I had been in Electrical Engineering but decided I hated math and had changed my major to education of Social Studies)

    I still wasn't putting "two and two together", but I was putting "one and one".

    For about 10 years I knew the dangers of liberalism but was unable to connect it to communism. Mostly for the same reason that others still can't, for me, communism was the enemy in Moscow, Peking, East Berlin, Havana, etc, and liberalism was merely the opposing view of conservatism. Wrong and expensive, but not cancerous. I even had made the remark that "liberalism is kind of back to back to communism", that they were similar, but separated by some kind of invisible line. A line I guess made by the fear of admitting that the patriotic Americans who believed in liberalism were actually promoting communism, whether they knew it or not. I was a soldier during the last several years of the Cold War, so the commies were a real, visible enemy that we were training to fight against with conventional weapons.

    And all the while, the words of Nikita Khrushchev were becoming true.

    Then one day, that line simply disappeared, somewhere in '87 or '88 I guess. And now, I was REALLY alone, because I knew NO ONE would believe that! And then within a year, of all people, my father, introduced me to Rush Limbaugh. Here was a man who was saying what I believed. And pointing out the proof of why it was true.

    Even now I still want to differentiate between what say, Obama wants, and "old time liberalism" like that of Walter Mondale and others of yesteryear. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! The only difference is that most of those sold on the idea then actually wanted to help people and was fooled into believing that social programs were the answer. That the US government could legislate "fairness" and eliminate "injustice". Obama and the rest of today's Marxists knows that it has and will further damage this country as founded, and that is exactly what they desire.
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    Constitutional degradation? Nope. We are talking about total avoidance of the Constitution by the king. The worst part is that our Congress is as guilty as this pig in the whitehouse. They should have had a line in the sand years ago, they should have walked out of Congress, stood on the steps of the building and called this moslem piece of trash out; they should have issued a severe threat that this country will now grind to a halt and he will be arrested and thrown in jail as a traitor--instead they allow him to have his way as we meander toward total third worldism. Congress--repubs and dems are all guilty and the Supreme Court is well on its way to crony crap once age catches up and this pig gets to choose. He is worse than Osama could ever have been. Osama could only take down a building and kill a few thousand--all rebuildable and replaceable, as bad as it was, but this guy is rotting this country from the inside out and like termites in your foundation, the whole house will fall into total ruin once he hits the core foundation and believe you me this mean, irresponsibe, narcissistic moslem socialist/fascist pig is doing his best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelcarry View Post
    Constitutional degradation? Nope. We are talking about total avoidance of the Constitution by the king. The worst part is that our Congress is as guilty as this pig in the whitehouse. They should have had a line in the sand years ago, they should have walked out of Congress, stood on the steps of the building and called this moslem piece of trash out; they should have issued a severe threat that this country will now grind to a halt and he will be arrested and thrown in jail as a traitor--instead they allow him to have his way as we meander toward total third worldism. Congress--repubs and dems are all guilty and the Supreme Court is well on its way to crony crap once age catches up and this pig gets to choose. He is worse than Osama could ever have been. Osama could only take down a building and kill a few thousand--all rebuildable and replaceable, as bad as it was, but this guy is rotting this country from the inside out and like termites in your foundation, the whole house will fall into total ruin once he hits the core foundation and believe you me this mean, irresponsibe, narcissistic moslem socialist/fascist pig is doing his best.
    Problem is, most dems and a significant number of republicans agree with him. Others of both parties may not agree but know if they say anything they will no longer be allowed to play the game, which is what they really want in the first place, to be part of "The American Ruling Party"....whatever it takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fstroupe View Post
    Then one day, that line simply disappeared, somewhere in '87 or '88 I guess. And now, I was REALLY alone, because I knew NO ONE would believe that! And then within a year, of all people, my father, introduced me to Rush Limbaugh. Here was a man who was saying what I believed. And pointing out the proof of why it was true.
    My wife and I got married on 7/30/88 in Danbury, CT. A year or so prior to that, I remember my aunt telling me about this conservative radio talk-show guy out of Sacramento that she picked up on one of the local LA stations, whom she hated with a passion. I only remembered his weird first name, Rush, but the name "Limbaugh" wouldn't have meant squat to me. I, too, come from a dedicated Dem family, and my aunt was (and still is as a matter of fact) one of the most vocal in the family against Reps. and conservatives. Myself, having already started making the transition from committed leftist to tentative conservative, had discussed the differences between Reagan and Carter on several occasions with my family, and they knew I was becoming a black sheep of the ideological family.

    So back to the wedding. We decided to make our honeymoon kind of an American history tour down the Eastern Seaboard. We visited Plymouth Rock, Williamsburg and Johnstown, VA and the various other battlefields around the Chesapeake Bay. We went to Mt. Vernon and Monticello, the battlefields of Chancellorsville and Fredericksburg, Bentonville and Fort Fisher, hit a couple more battlefields in Georgia and made our way down to FL. to visit my new brother-in-law.

    Rush's show went national on August 1, 1988, and I heard his first national show while driving this cheap, tiny little rental car (it might have even been a Yugo! LOL) all over the East Coast on our honeymoon. One of the first issues he started educating the listening public on was the "Fairness Doctrine" that Reagan had eliminated a few years earlier. He explained why its elimination paved the way for the kind of show he hoped to build, and very soon, the myth that the "Fairness Doctrine" was *fair* in any way to the free exchange of ideas became known nationwide, which would not, and could not, have become known if it was still in force.

    I think now that my own ideological evolution and awareness has progressed in the intervening 24 years, that Rush doesn't go anywhere near far enough. He's way too establishment-Republican-based for my tastes anymore, as are Hannity and Levin and Ingrahm and virtually all of the national talk radio voices we hear. That said, it would be unfair to withhold credit from Rush for making some degree of conservative thought a mainstream and daily part of our media today. I still listen to him and Beck and once in awhile the others when I get the chance, but I find myself more and more rolling my eyes at the radio and talking back to it to correct them on some sycophantic position or another they espouse on a regular basis. At least I still get a reminder about my Anniversary from Rush every year though, as he always makes a big deal about his show's anniversary for the week or so preceding its arrival. I also managed to get my CWP permit on my Anniversary, so if I ever forget that date, I'll be in big trouble in more ways than one!

    Quote Originally Posted by fstroupe View Post
    Even now I still want to differentiate between what say, Obama wants, and "old time liberalism" like that of Walter Mondale and others of yesteryear. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! The only difference is that most of those sold on the idea then actually wanted to help people and was fooled into believing that social programs were the answer. That the US government could legislate "fairness" and eliminate "injustice". Obama and the rest of today's Marxists knows that it has and will further damage this country as founded, and that is exactly what they desire.
    I think you're right about this. However, I would add that the most insidious purveyors of progressivism are the ones who purport to be conservatives. Namely, the vast majority of Republicans in government today and over the last 30 to 100 years (whichever number one wishes to acknowledge). We're getting ready to nominate one of the most glaring and egregious examples of that as the "conservative" doyen, and if he "wins," he will be joined by a Congress full to the brim of phony conservatives who have stolen our rights with impunity for as long as the self-confessed liberals have.

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    Yea the first time I heard Rush was in 88 or 89. I'm conservative and at the time I thought who is this nut job. At the time he stated not to judge his show until you have listened for about a week. After a week I was hooked. He said so many things that I agreed with and could back them up I'm still with him. I guess I'm not the only one. For a program the experts said would never last, he's doing a pretty good job.
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    Rush is always amazed how people remember the first time they hear his show. I remember too, it was the last week of June 1989, my dad had come to Ft. Bragg to pick me up to go home on leave. (my ex and I had split up, I had gotten rid of our leased vehicle, and was going home to buy something to drive) The local talk radio station had picked it up and dad had listened some. He was already popular enough to find a station on the road. The issue of the day was flag burning.

    I don't get to listen to him except on Mondays, and then I don't always listen.

    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    For a program the experts said would never last, he's doing a pretty good job.
    lol yeah, no doubt. The dream job....make millions by doing what you love, something you created with your own hands. Yeah, it probably gets tiring sometimes, but he hangs well.
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    rush the hypocrit lying ass bs artist

    gun control is being able to hit your target

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    Wow Eagleeyes, you also feel that way about Clinton's pot smoking and Obama's coke snorting. What about all the drug abuse by the Hollywood elite's. Rush had an addiction to pain killers. He got treatment and although his enemy's went after him, no charges stuck. I'm sure you know more about this than the rest of us. Why aren't you criticizing your Hollywood and sports buddies that have done the very same thing. If you wish to criticize, what about the doctors that prescribe medications without checking first to see what their patients are already taking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fstroupe View Post
    And all the while, the words of Nikita Khrushchev were becoming true.
    Yup, it's amazing that way back then the Russians knew that Americas epitaph would read -DEATH BY SUICIDE.
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