I think you might have hit on something hear gunner. Progressive liberals must be holding in too many of their farts. Socialism throughout history has never worked. Yet the modern progressive liberals seemed to believe that they are the ones that have the knowledge to make it work. In the end once great nations are destroyed, the people loose their freedom and the leadership lines their pockets with the peoples wealth. Those that remain, after the leadership has escaped to exile with the peoples wealth, some how pull them selves together and rebuild their nation and the cycle starts again.