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    Most people agree, the choices we have from the Democrats and Republicans are shitty. Many people feel forced into voting for one or the other saying that they have to pick from the lesser of two evils. But, literally, voting for the lesser of two evils only gets you more evil.

    Its time to break the two party system full of corruption. Check out former Governor Gary Johnson, the candidate from the Libertarian Party. He was a two term governor of New Mexico, balanced the state budget, cut taxes 14 times, reduced the government payroll without firing or layoffs and had more vetos than all other 49 governors combined. He is an advocate for personal responsibility and it helps that he is probably the most gun friendly candidate in a long time.

    Wikipedia says:
    "Johnson opposes gun control initiatives. He does not believe in limiting the types or sizes of guns that private citizens can own. He believes the Second Amendment is "clear," and gives citizens an individual right."

    In an online town hall, when asked about gun regulations, former Gov Gary Johnson said "No restrictions in ammo, caliber or clips. Period."

    Check him out! Get Gary Johnson into the Debates

    Also, he is going to be coming to Charlotte this Saturday so if you are in town come check him out!
    The Libertarian Party of North Carolina — Dinner with Gary, Meet-the-candidates Event

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    Quote Originally Posted by nf16 View Post
    Most people agree, the choices we have from the Democrats and Republicans are shitty. Many people feel forced into voting for one or the other saying that they have to pick from the lesser of two evils. But, literally, voting for the lesser of two evils only gets you more evil.

    Its time to break the two party system full of corruption. Check out former Governor Gary Johnson, the candidate from the Libertarian Party. He was a two term governor of New Mexico, balanced the state budget, cut taxes 14 times, reduced the government payroll without firing or layoffs and had more vetos than all other 49 governors combined. He is an advocate for personal responsibility and it helps that he is probably the most gun friendly candidate in a long time.

    Wikipedia says:
    "Johnson opposes gun control initiatives. He does not believe in limiting the types or sizes of guns that private citizens can own. He believes the Second Amendment is "clear," and gives citizens an individual right."

    In an online town hall, when asked about gun regulations, former Gov Gary Johnson said "No restrictions in ammo, caliber or clips. Period."

    Check him out! Get Gary Johnson into the Debates

    Also, he is going to be coming to Charlotte this Saturday so if you are in town come check him out!
    The Libertarian Party of North Carolina Dinner with Gary, Meet-the-candidates Event
    The candidates running for president may not be who we would like but, one, unfortunately, will be the lesser of two evils for some. I think the Republican candidate is the only one offering any change to the miserable condition of our country. Obama, if reelected, would continue down his path of destruction so, to me, it is a no-brainer, I will not vote for Obama or any other Democrat on my ballot. If we had a third party that could stand up to the Dems and Repubs with money backing it, a good candidate and an honest, no mud slinging race, maybe the party would be viable. In the past, every attempt at promoting a third party candidate has always taken away a goodly portion of votes and enabled one of the major party candidates to win. There was not a level playing field and, most likely, never will be. Money is the only thing to determine who will be elected anymore, not necessarily who would be the best person for the office. If you would take all the money out of the race and have people run on their qualifications and accomplishments, you might get someone who would deserve the office and would look out for our country. I don't think there are many men left with those qualifications. If there are any, I doubt they would want to become involved.

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    If you like the country to continue down the road of socialism vote for Obama and his party. If you want a change of direction to more capitalism vote for Romney and enough republicans to give him a majority. Vote libertarian if you choose but I don't see much change with that. I don't see a majority of libertarians in the house our senate that will side with a libertarian president. That means more gridlock. So vote wisely.
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    If you love Romney then you must have truly loved Nixon as well. Yuk!

    Lies lies lies lies lies. Nothing but lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    If you love Romney then you must have truly loved Nixon as well. Yuk!

    Lies lies lies lies lies. Nothing but lies.
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    It took us a hundred years to allow our country to get to this dangerous situation. It is going to take more than one election cycle to change course let alone get to a healthy condition. It will take generations to recover.

    The present course has evaporated private sector jobs, aborted retirements, bankrupted our children and portends to enslave our grandchildren in a totalitarian / socialist system.

    Ron Paul or Gary Johnson each may possess the admirable charactistics one would like to see in the presidency but neither commands sufficient national support / recognition among the electorate to achieve that office and if either one could achieve that office, lack of support in the house and senate would cripple their effectiveness.

    It will take US working over future election cycles to pack the house and senate with representatives that are more statesman than politician. We have to educate our children in the principles that grew thirteen backwater colonies into the greatest nation ever to exist on this globe. We have to take real measure of who WE are and we have to STOP SPENDING OUR GRANDCHILDRENS MONEY !

    Romney is not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination BUT he is not a COMMUNIST, he has more numerical support than Ron Paul or Gary Johnson and he can be elected if votes are not bled off by a third party candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoobee View Post
    If you love Romney then you must have truly loved Nixon as well. Yuk!

    Lies lies lies lies lies. Nothing but lies.
    No, I would like to have another choice but, unfortunately, there is no other choice. A write-in would be a waste of a vote. As for Nixon, I would damn sure rather have a president like him than what we have in office now. Shoobee, just for curosity's sake, is there anything that you don't disagree with? Were you neglected as a child?

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    If you vote Libertarian all your going to do is take away votes Romney is going to need to beat Obama. It has always worked that way in the past and it will work that way again. Rest assured that Obama WILL win if the votes get taken away from the Repubs. I'm not crazy about this but it sure as hell beats the alternative.

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    I disagree that Romney is offering change. Its really hard to pin down his positions. He is, by his campaigns own admissions, extremely vague and an "etch-a-sketch" candidate. His record is terrible, he constantly changes his positions based on what is politically tenable, he is the further thing from the ideal candidate. In fact, that isn't a candidate, that is a puppet and guess who he is bought by? The same exact corporate interests that bought Obama.

    Sure its a long shot with a third party and the fundraising dispairity doesn't help. But by voting for Romney you do two things. You tell the GOP, it doesn't matter who you run for office, we will back that candidate no matter how terrible they are. And two, if Romney wins, you can't run a better candidate in 2016, do you really want the possibility of Romney for 8 years? Change will be incremental. If Johnson gets enough support to get into the debates, anything can happen. If he gets even just 5% of the popular vote in the general election, the party gets a substantial amount of support from campaign public financing which could drastically change things in 2016. To do that though, he needs to close that fundraising gap as much as possible and he needs support in polls. If you are called about a poll and say Gary Johnson is your choice, you do much more to influence the election than if you just pick Romney, irregardless of who you pick on November 6th.

    The beautiful thing about a Libertarian President is he wouldn't need a majority in congress to make a big change. As Gary Johnson did in New Mexico, he can have a major influence by his control of the executive branch; all the boards, commissions, departments and other groups responsible for drafting and enacting regulations. He can also have a major influence on Congress by vetoing legislation. Gov Johnson vetoed 750 bills as Governor of New Mexico for 8 years and only had 2 over turned. People appreciated his good stewardship of tax dollars and reelected him after his first term by a 10% margin in a state that is 2 Democrats for every 1 Republican.

    If you are still worried about taking votes away from Romney and having Obama again, the last thing I will say to hopefully change your mind is this. Look at the state you live in. Odds are, its not a swing state. Since electoral votes are in almost all cases given to the candidate that receives the majority vote of the state, there is very little action outside of swing states. For example, if you are a California Republican, there is 0 hope of Romney winning your state. If you vote for Libertarian or another third party, Romney still wont win but you'll send a message saying "we are not happy with the candidate given to us by the establishment". Then the next election, the GOP will work harder to pick a candidate that isn't a complete mess.

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    IMHO...if one does not vote for Romney, then it is a vote for obama. A third party would split the conservative vote and give the liberals the victory. Do I think Romney is our best conservative choice, NO! But it will be better than 4 more years of the Marxist/socialist in office now.
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