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    Romney Will Lose - Conservatives Deserve Obama, America Deserves A Dictator

    Krauthammer on Romney: "He not only doesn't have a skeleton in his closet, he doesn't have a closet." July 2012

    Charles is right. Romney is perhaps the cleanest and most respectable presidential candidate ever to run for the office. His millions were earned legally - taxes avoided were legal, etc.. But America doesn't want "clean" nor does she want competence. America is dumb and ignorant as a people, through and through and there is little real sign that she'll recover. We can wave the flag and sing country-twangin' patriotic songs everyday until the election to no avail; jingoism won't save us.

    America wants charisma - thus Obama. Americans, including most of its voting conservatives, are products of incessant entertainment and competitiveness, ignore wisdom and seek the showy - the younger, the more apt the product. Romney's consultants are not focusing on these important differences, i.e., explaining that charisma has no substance - that this is the time for substance. In fact, they could have built their entire attack on Obama and the left as substance less vs. the real and tangible effectiveness of Mitt Romney using his clean stalwart demeanor as a humorous confession but preferred over Obama's slick oration and falsehoods.

    Mitt Romney is so "not" charismatic that when he attempts to warm up to people it comes across as phony, "plastic," as some have said. Romney's great resume handling large financial matters is overshadowed by Obama's effective negative ads and Romney is generally too soft responding to these ads - to a painful point. Part of this civility to a fault is because he's a "churchy guy," not to offend, but too much church takes the fight out of a guy. I didn't say too much "God," please note - but too much church.

    Another reason Romney is too civil can be seen in his selection of staff - his spokeswoman, Andrea Saul, you know, the advisor/spokeswoman for McCain's losing campaign, is inept, proven in her incredulous response to the Joe Soptic liberal PAC ad. Rather than attack it's clear lack of veracity she suggested that Mr. and Mrs. Soptic would have faired well had they lived in Massachusetts under Romney Care. Wow, that's almost a campaign-losing box of ammo right there. Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh said it better.
    Rush Limbaugh And Ann Coulter Absolutely Lost Their Minds Over Andrea Saul's Romneycare Defense | Regator - Curated Blog Search and Discovery

    Romney is very qualified as president to stop the bleeding, to work with both sides of the isle and quickly place America on the path to real prosperity. But as long as Obama's constituency grows with promises and programs paid for by money we don't have, utopia which they actually believe he'll deliver and the requirements to vote aren't much more than vital signs, get ready for King Obama for an indefinite number of years.
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    Obama has 4 major groups that are going to support him in large numbers: societal parasites (welfare recipients and government employees ), communists, union members who vote as they are told, and the incurably stupid. These groups are not necessarily exclusive; they have overlapping characteristics. People do get the kind of government they deserve and are about to. We are headed for a socialist and totalitarian government. This country has been the recipient of a concentrated propaganda campaign by the progressives for the last 100 years. It is probably too late to reverse course. One thing these supporters need to know. A true socialist government is not going to put up with their behavior. These are the "useful idiots" that Stalin eliminated by the millions.

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    The sheep that voted/will vote for Obama are ignorant, lazy, slaves. They have no comprehension of individual liberty, Natural Rights, economics, or history.

    Plain and simple, no other explaination... if you tell me you support Obama, I'll consider you an idiot... yes, I will base my opinion of you off of that. Why, b/c I know that if you support Obama, you are seriously lacking an education. Therefore, you're an idiot.

    Political figures like Obama have come and gone, enacting the same marxist plans that, as history proves, have failed time and time again and leave a population far worse off than before. Go figure, what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander... people actually like individual liberty over oppression... and spending money that neither you, nor you children's children have only leads to economic collapse.

    Obama and his conformicrats are about power, control of the political body as a whole, oppression in the guise of "social welfare", touchy feely "do-good" policies, and a destruction of everything America actually stands for. America has never stood for welfare and the "Robin Hood" politics of taking from the rich and giving to the poor... that's oppression. America was about freedom, the freedom to make something of yourself through hard work and opportunity... NOT about stealing from you neighbor via welfare blankets and the redistrobution of wealth. That's a political agenda of the lazy, and the weak hearted.

    OtisM, Shoobee, and whoever else supports Obama... you need to seriously educate yourself about reality!!! You are contributing to the death of hope and freedom in one of the last remaining peices of dirt on this planet! There isn't anywhere else to "immigrate" to... this is the end of the line. If we don't preserve what we have left, this beacon of freedom called America will spiral into death and destruction! It won't be on some distant battle field, in some far away land where you don't have to be apart of it... it'll be in your neighborhood, in your front yard, people you knew will be forced to pay the price of your ignorance with their life... your loved one's will have to choose, to be a slave subject to the oppressors, or fight for liberty.

    For the mere pursuit of liberty, is worth the priced payed.

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    So much at stake but there are sooo many ignorant, clueless, and stupid sheeple/libtards... God, give us strength to ride the coming waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanish Trail View Post
    Romney Will Lose - Conservatives Deserve Obama, America Deserves A Dictator

    Krauthammer on Romney: "He not only doesn't have a skeleton in his closet, he doesn't have a closet." July 2012

    Charles is right. Romney is perhaps the cleanest and most respectable presidential candidate ever to run for the office. His millions were earned legally - taxes avoided were legal, etc.. But America doesn't want "clean" nor does she want competence. America is dumb and ignorant as a people, through and through and there is little real sign that she'll recover. We can wave the flag and sing country-twangin' patriotic songs everyday until the election to no avail; jingoism won't save us.

    America wants charisma - thus Obama. Americans, including most of its voting conservatives, are products of incessant entertainment and competitiveness, ignore wisdom and seek the showy - the younger, the more apt the product. Romney's consultants are not focusing on these important differences, i.e., explaining that charisma has no substance - that this is the time for substance. In fact, they could have built their entire attack on Obama and the left as substance less vs. the real and tangible effectiveness of Mitt Romney using his clean stalwart demeanor as a humorous confession but preferred over Obama's slick oration and falsehoods.

    Mitt Romney is so "not" charismatic that when he attempts to warm up to people it comes across as phony, "plastic," as some have said. Romney's great resume handling large financial matters is overshadowed by Obama's effective negative ads and Romney is generally too soft responding to these ads - to a painful point. Part of this civility to a fault is because he's a "churchy guy," not to offend, but too much church takes the fight out of a guy. I didn't say too much "God," please note - but too much church.

    Another reason Romney is too civil can be seen in his selection of staff - his spokeswoman, Andrea Saul, you know, the advisor/spokeswoman for McCain's losing campaign, is inept, proven in her incredulous response to the Joe Soptic liberal PAC ad. Rather than attack it's clear lack of veracity she suggested that Mr. and Mrs. Soptic would have faired well had they lived in Massachusetts under Romney Care. Wow, that's almost a campaign-losing box of ammo right there. Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh said it better.
    Rush Limbaugh And Ann Coulter Absolutely Lost Their Minds Over Andrea Saul's Romneycare Defense | Regator - Curated Blog Search and Discovery

    Romney is very qualified as president to stop the bleeding, to work with both sides of the isle and quickly place America on the path to real prosperity. But as long as Obama's constituency grows with promises and programs paid for by money we don't have, utopia which they actually believe he'll deliver and the requirements to vote aren't much more than vital signs, get ready for King Obama for an indefinite number of years.
    I don't agree with the gist of this at all. Well, Romney may indeed lose, I agree that is a possibility, but it has nothing to do with charisma, or a lack of some easy-going affectation when he speaks. Witness G.W. Bush on that score. He came across as completely unable to put a cogent sentence together when speaking. But he did have the one thing that conservatives want(ed), or at least the projected perception of that one thing; people thought he was conservative. While it turned out to be a put-on by and large, he had no verifiable record of support for abortion or gun control, and nothing in his record would've suggested that he would sign the blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold attack on the 1st Amendment. Romney's record is replete with voluminous examples of being anything but a conservative, and if he loses, that will be the reason why.

    Who believes that with debt already being at 101% or 102% of GDP and headed for $17 TRILLION before Election Day, that "stopping the bleeding" will be enough to stop the crash? Why put your money on a lame horse that has no chance of crossing the finish line when, besides that obvious deficiency, his beliefs, ideals and politics not only don't comport with your own, but completely conflict with them? Sorry, being a competent business man doesn't make him moral, and his record of immorality, combined with his rather uncommitted, ever-changing understanding of conservatism, will be the cause of him losing (if he does). By calling conservatives ignorant and stupid and transfixed on showmanship etc., you are blaming the victims of the Republican departure from conservative values that the majority of Americans are craving a candidate to truly and legitimately represent. Romney doesn't even come close, and literally everyone who is going to vote for him knows it, but will still blame the principled non-voters or write-in voters if he loses, instead of the Party that has betrayed them election cycle after election cycle after election cycle.

    I resoundingly reject the notion that conservatives are stupid or ignorant or lazy or unpatriotic or whatever misplaced pejorative Romney voters wish to put on them (us). They (we) are simply committed conservatives who vote with their (our) highly moral commitment to the ideology they (we) claim to believe in. Oh, but if only the Republican Party had such a high moral character driving it. They'd win in the biggest landslide in American history! But they are too stupid, too ignorant, too uncommitted to morality to do that. Quit blaming the victims.

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    Let me state first and if you research my posts you will see I am not racist by any means. I was sitting in a local N.Y. downstate bar/ restaurant 2 days ago. A fairly intoxicated person was sitting to my left. By the conversation he was having with his friend he was an out of work union person in the construction area. Everytime an ethnic person came up on the T.V. he would have some remark as to their heritage, color, whether they probably had a gun on them, criminal, etc. After having a couple drinks myself and getting real tired of hearing him I asked him, "Are you a union guy?" "YEP" "So who you voting for" say I. I was met with the most perplexed look I have seen in years. My only response was. "Hypocrite." His friend burst out laughing and shook my hand and said, "Good to meet a fellow Obummer hater."

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    While I don't disagree with you Blues, and trust me I'm not a big Romney fan, I know he's a RINO. compared to Obama he is more conservative and he loves and believes in American individualism. There's a book by Fitzhugh Dodson "How to Discipline With Love". He writes about children wanting attention from their parents so bad that they will accept a soggy potato chip rather than nothing. I believe he calls it "Law of the soggy potato chip". In my opinion, conservatives are so looking for a conservative candidate to win the White House and hopefully control of a second branch of government, they will vote for the one that leans in the conservative direction, RINO or not. Not sure that political party affiliation would matter. After three years of Obama, we now know who he is and were he wants to take us. But the proof is in the pudding. Only in America can a candidate with a background sealed from public view, surround himself with anti-American advisers, tell the voting public "You didn't build that successful business on your own with your hard work", drag this once great nation into the largest debt in our 200 plus year history, tell the voting public in these poor economic times that the "private sector is doing fine, it's the public sector that needs the spending", be leading in the poles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
    I don't agree with the gist of this at all. Well, Romney may indeed lose, I agree that is a possibility, but it has nothing to do with charisma, or a lack of some easy-going affectation when he speaks. Witness G.W. Bush on that score. He came across as completely unable to put a cogent sentence together when speaking. But he did have the one thing that conservatives want(ed), or at least the projected perception of that one thing; people thought he was conservative. While it turned out to be a put-on by and large, he had no verifiable record of support for abortion or gun control, and nothing in his record would've suggested that he would sign the blatantly unconstitutional McCain/Feingold attack on the 1st Amendment. Romney's record is replete with voluminous examples of being anything but a conservative, and if he loses, that will be the reason why.

    Who believes that with debt already being at 101% or 102% of GDP and headed for $17 TRILLION before Election Day, that "stopping the bleeding" will be enough to stop the crash? Why put your money on a lame horse that has no chance of crossing the finish line when, besides that obvious deficiency, his beliefs, ideals and politics not only don't comport with your own, but completely conflict with them? Sorry, being a competent business man doesn't make him moral, and his record of immorality, combined with his rather uncommitted, ever-changing understanding of conservatism, will be the cause of him losing (if he does). By calling conservatives ignorant and stupid and transfixed on showmanship etc., you are blaming the victims of the Republican departure from conservative values that the majority of Americans are craving a candidate to truly and legitimately represent. Romney doesn't even come close, and literally everyone who is going to vote for him knows it, but will still blame the principled non-voters or write-in voters if he loses, instead of the Party that has betrayed them election cycle after election cycle after election cycle.

    I resoundingly reject the notion that conservatives are stupid or ignorant or lazy or unpatriotic or whatever misplaced pejorative Romney voters wish to put on them (us). They (we) are simply committed conservatives who vote with their (our) highly moral commitment to the ideology they (we) claim to believe in. Oh, but if only the Republican Party had such a high moral character driving it. They'd win in the biggest landslide in American history! But they are too stupid, too ignorant, too uncommitted to morality to do that. Quit blaming the victims.

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    You said ... I don't agree with the gist of this at all. Well, Romney may indeed lose, I agree that is a possibility, but it has nothing to do with charisma, or a lack of some easy-going affectation when he speaks.

    Your entire disagreement shows nothing through the eyes of Obama's constituency. Obama's "children" are absolutely star struck by his charisma and promise of utopia. They absolutely are ignorant to the ramifications of socialism and don't deny that he's a socialist - they don't have a problem with it. If you asked them for a brief and general bio to Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin, rough timelime and explain Bolshevism in a few words, 90% of them couldn't even begin the first sentence. But they're swift at changing the subject and steering the discussion to an emotional and irrelovent distraction. Nothing said here can be proven - it's based upon observation, i.e., empirical.
    I'm on the road and work a lot in the Atlanta, GA area and can tell you that it's Obama country and it's all about charisma and race. As far your logical explanations why Romney should win, no problem, you're absolutely right on all points. Again, logic won't be used on their end and it's likely that we're simply outnumbered this time.
    Conservatives aren't as tough or perceptive as needed this time around - ignorant is the best word I think.
    Case in point - the voluminous and credible evidence that his years at Columbia University didn't exist, his entrances into Occidental College and Harvard were likely by way of "foreign student" status, and his overall squelching and legally sealing these and other records
    should be out front in Romney's attack. But because prominent conservatives are fearful and too careful these very credible points are reserved for conspiracy theorists and not pursued. The fact that Obama is a liar is squelched.
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    if either romney or obama win we'll all lose
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    I'm voting for obama because it will reduce the deficit. How you ask? Because it will save the money we have to borrow from China to cover moving costs of to/from white house for both of them. Our nation does deserve obama because he does exactly what he says he is going to do. That is integrity. Now let's get it on so E Entertainmet Tonight can get back to the normal coverage that I crave after work! Obama 2012!!!

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