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    Didn't we already establish that Ron Paul was just as corrupt as any candidate you try to vilify? You remember that Mr fiscal responsibility brought a lot of Chinese paid for pork projects back to his district. Have we forgotten that already? And as far as your complaints as to what happened at the convention.


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    Even with his Nevada attempt to steal the state he had no chance. He was and is a fraud. He just has you hoodwinked.

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    Blues, you are entitled to your opinion and I have always respected that. You have done much more research than I have had time for. I have aligned myself with the republican party from the time I was old enough to vote, mainly to have a say in primary elections. That being said I don't only vote party. Sorry to disappoint you. We have a flawed political system. It's been corrupted and infiltrated by special interest and career politicians that have no regard for the good of the country. It's all about what's in it for me. I would love to support a candidate that was pure and honest. The last human to walk the planet that fit this was rejected in the name of religion at that time. The system we have is what it is and we end up playing the cards that are dealt. You can choose to play or choose to watch, the choice is yours alone. I choose to play, if that doesn't fit your game plan, so be it. I'm sure I've said some things you don't agree with. Now and then you make that clear. How boring life would be if we all agreed all the time. For the sake of argument I'm content with agreeing to disagree. Politics and religion, two subjects that can ruin a friendship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warbirds View Post
    Didn't we already establish that Ron Paul was just as corrupt as any candidate you try to vilify? You remember that Mr fiscal responsibility brought a lot of Chinese paid for pork projects back to his district. Have we forgotten that already? And as far as your complaints as to what happened at the convention.


    Ron Paul never had the delegates to win | Washington Times Communities

    Even with his Nevada attempt to steal the state he had no chance. He was and is a fraud. He just has you hoodwinked.
    I am going to respond as though you and I have the ability to be respectful towards each other, Warbirds. Please try to understand this. What you see in that video has nothing to do with Ron Paul. The rules established by the two "votes" chronicled there will be in place from now on, long after Ron Paul is dead and buried.

    The tyranny committed by the Republican Party was committed against the voters of Maine. The fact that the party's target was the portion of Maine's delegation that were committed to Ron Paul is incidental. From now on, a given state's primary or caucus votes are irrelevant if the Party doesn't like who the state's voters tell them to vote for at the nominating convention. From now on, if you vote in the Republican primaries or caucuses, your vote is 100% meaningless unless it comports with what a handful of party bosses agrees with. Please, don't try to escape the severe threat to government of, by and for The People by bringing up your dislike of Ron Paul when he has nothing to do with it.

    Having a chance to win the nomination was never the yardstick by which a losing candidate's speaking slot was measured (or decided). A speaking-slot was earned, according to the rules prior to those two b u l l s h i t votes, when any candidate controlled 5 states' convention delegates. Those were the rules that all the candidates, and their voters, played by, and by changing the rules in mid-convention with such blatantly dishonest trickery and acceptance of voice-votes that were clearly legally challenged according to the rules, they effectively silenced the voters of Maine. And now, the rules changes provide that the party bosses can do it at will for every state from here on out. In four years, it might be your state and/or your candidate and/or your primary/caucus vote that is tossed like so much irrelevant garbage from polluting the convention with the will of The People!

    Unless you can say that you were even partially aware of any of what I just said, and don't mind having your vote not count for a damned thing, then it is clearly you who has been hoodwinked, Warbirds. Grow up, and get some substance under your wings before saying I've been hoodwinked by anyone or anything.

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    Blues, you are entitled to your opinion and I have always respected that.
    You didn't this time. You showed a glaring lack of respect for anyone who stood on conviction. That's the only reason I responded as I did. You get what you give from me, and always have, even heartfelt apologies when I accused you of something you hadn't participated in.

    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    You have done much more research than I have had time for.
    And I have posted link after link, video after video, author after author in order to cut down everyone's research time, while at the same time, doing it to demonstrate that I am not just pulling a bunch of meaningless b! tchin' and moanin' out of my ass. I try to post substantive arguments, and even when you don't respond directly to them with meaningless tripe like Warbirds and others do, I still see you liking their posts almost all the time, so the substance is lost on you every bit as much as the others. Ignorance of the substantive issues I involve myself with is no excuse because of "not having the time" fuhr. I've done most of the homework for you! You are actively choosing to be ignorant, and time has nothing to do with that!

    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    I have aligned myself with the republican party from the time I was old enough to vote, mainly to have a say in primary elections.
    Well, I sure hope you read what I just said to Warbirds, because you will have zero say in Republican primaries from here on out unless your choice of candidates is identical to your party's bosses. Does that sound like "freedom" to you? Does that sound like a government of, by and for The People to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    That being said I don't only vote party. Sorry to disappoint you.
    Look fuhr, I only responded to you linking "conviction voters" with "mind-numbed party voters." With all of both Romney's and Ryan's many deficiencies as "conservatives," to imply that scrutinizing them and realizing how egregious those deficiencies are equals being "mind-numbed" by the party they hail from is hardly reasonable or rational analysis. If I'm "disappointed" at all by it, it's because it's so vapid. You say that you don't only vote party, but what else could an objective observer conclude in this case? You give no reason to vote for Romney other than that he's not Obama, and then you minimize, even dismiss as mind-numbed, someone who stands on enough conviction of what's right and what's wrong to make an informed, thoughtful decision. If I had any indication whatsoever that you don't just vote according to party labels, I wouldn't be disappointed, I'd be thrilled!

    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    We have a flawed political system.
    As it relates to the last few posts, I'd settle for you recognizing that you have a flawed party. If you Republicans would set about fixing that, the system might stand a chance of being rehabilitated.

    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    It's been corrupted and infiltrated by special interest and career politicians that have no regard for the good of the country. It's all about what's in it for me. I would love to support a candidate that was pure and honest. The last human to walk the planet that fit this was rejected in the name of religion at that time.
    Good grief fuhr, and people call me a cynic, a defeatist, a doomer! The only reason the Republican Party keeps giving you flawed and failed candidates is because you keep voting for them! And so did I for many years, so it's not like I don't know how hard it is to let go of those illusions that there's nothing any of us can do, I absolutely do know. I'm not looking for Jesus Christ to run for political office! When I see Him, I'm gonna be like, "Hey, my ride's here, gotta git," and I'm headed Home! But don't try to escape responsibility for accepting any s h i t house candidate that your party bosses cram down your throat when you vote for them no matter how s h i t house they are! They don't have to be Christ-like to be acceptable, just legitimately and demonstrably conservative in at least some substantive ways. Unless and until you and the bulk of your party start demanding just that little bit from your party bosses, you're going to get major eye-rolls from those who do when you try to make it sound like only Christ would qualify for public office under our supposedly extreme demands. Name:  Roll_Eyes_Smiley_by_Mirz123.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    The system we have is what it is and we end up playing the cards that are dealt. You can choose to play or choose to watch, the choice is yours alone. I choose to play, if that doesn't fit your game plan, so be it.
    Screw my game-plan. I'm aware that it's meaningless to any broad-based influence. What I'm wondering is how is your game-plan going to change in four years when your primary vote and your state's convention delegation is tossed like meaningless garbage because you screwed up and didn't follow the party's dictates of whom your delegation must support?

    You say you "choose to play." I say you're deluding yourself if you think it's your choice to make. The video I re-posted above proves that beyond any shadow of a doubt.

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    Like most on here I'm not voting for Romney I'm voting against Obama. As for my vote counting for anything in a national election I know it doesn't. Living on the west coast the voters in the three time zones east of me make that decision long before my vote is counted. Oregon is a vote by mail only state. Voter fraud is rampant, advantage democrat. Three large cities all liberal decide state levies. Thus the state votes blue most the time. I did vote for Ron Paul in the primary. Didn't matter though he was pretty much out of it by the time my turn to vote. I should just shred my ballot when it shows up, it's such a waste of time. Most of what I vote for usually fails anyway. I'm still voting. I know both parties are corrupt but the same corrupt people continue to be re-elected. Kind of hard to cut out the cancer when voters keep feeding it. To avoid irritation in the future just ignore my posts. I will continue to read yours for the good information you post, whether I agree or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuhr52 View Post
    Like most on here I'm not voting for Romney I'm voting against Obama..... I know both parties are corrupt but the same corrupt people continue to be re-elected. Kind of hard to cut out the cancer when voters keep feeding it. :
    So you are feeding the machine and then calling the very same machine a cancer? That is what I've been saying here...don't let your fear control you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajr2820 View Post
    So you are feeding the machine and then calling the very same machine a cancer? That is what I've been saying here...don't let your fear control you!
    If voters continue to reward bad judgment by re-electing representatives for bad decisions, they feed the political cancer that's destroying this great nation. Every cycle the same people creating the problems, claim to have the solutions to fix those problems. They get re-elected to create more problems they can solve. The cycle continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajr2820 View Post
    So you are feeding the machine and then calling the very same machine a cancer? That is what I've been saying here...don't let your fear control you!
    Despite all my experiencer in business I can't convince you that you're feeding into your own financial demise. You can't negotiate from poverty or weakness. If you lose, if you're wrong, your future will be changed for decades to come through a Supreme Court that will make unprecedented changes in freedom and liberty. Those changes are designed to keep you from ever rising again. Money, wealth and capitalism are the enemies of socialism. O wins and you're done. There is little debate on the numbers. Are you willing to borrow from China, a manipulator of currency, to fund another stimulus? You want government to be in the jobs business or people to be in the jobs business? And knowing that China's currency manipulation converts to actually giving you about thirty cents on a dollar you promise to repay with interest? Payments you're laying off on your children? You're going to have to figure out how to feed your family on principals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BC1 View Post
    Despite all my experiencer in business I can't convince you that you're feeding into your own financial demise. You can't negotiate from poverty or weakness. If you lose, if you're wrong, your future will be changed for decades to come through a Supreme Court that will make unprecedented changes in freedom and liberty. Those changes are designed to keep you from ever rising again. Money, wealth and capitalism are the enemies of socialism. O wins and you're done. There is little debate on the numbers. Are you willing to borrow from China, a manipulator of currency, to fund another stimulus? You want government to be in the jobs business or people to be in the jobs business? And knowing that China's currency manipulation converts to actually giving you about thirty cents on a dollar you promise to repay with interest? Payments you're laying off on your children? You're going to have to figure out how to feed your family on principals.


    I'll remind you in two years. One man says something you don't believe. One man has a track record of failure. You do everything you can to prevent the continuence of that failure. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on ME!
    First, it is not your place to change my mind. That is up to Gov. Romney. Secondly, I do not necessarily disagree with ANY of the facts you present. My concern is that Romney will do no different from Obama, who did no different from Bush. If Romney actually had a concrete plan to right the ship, I would be all for him...yet he does not. So please explain to me how, if I see no difference in the 2 candidates (i.e. neither can show me HOW they will fix things), what difference does it make which one wins? If it's simply a matter of which one of the 2 I like better, then it's Romney for me! But isn't that how we got Obama to begin with? A lot of hot air and empty promises...but hey, we LIKE him? Because he was the hip choice as opposed to McCain? Am I now to believe that we must stay the course and continue to vote someone in based on popular opinion vs. actual qualifications?
    I hope Obama is thrown out of office too, but I don't want to participate in replacing him with "Republican Obama"...
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