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    From my friend, INVAR's, blog, called Sword At The Ready. Posted in its entirety by permission of the author, INVAR.
    Posted: January 28, 2013 · 6:44 pm
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    Civil war or subjugation? Obama and the MarxoFascists push the nation into a stark choice.

    Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?
    Amos 3:3

    Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Satan? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? – II Corinthians 6:14-15


    Several weeks ago, I read an editorial posted at NC Renegade’s site from a veteran who sees this nation at the brink of impending war within itself. The startling truth of what the vet had stated so calmly, without malice but with determination – left me unsettled since I read it. It is a sober truth, one that few are willing to acknowledge. I was reticent about linking to it, and even for me – the truth about what he posted was something I was unwilling to admit to myself. The Normalcy Bias still has a grip on me in these evil days despite my own pessimism of our near future.

    As I read that editorial, it evoked immediate sadness and a heart wrenching over a truth I did not want to accept: America has reached the breaking point and it’s people are now hopelessly divided. Divided to the point of resigning themselves to the formerly unthinkable in order to preserve what they cherish, in the face of those who are advocating the dismantling of our institutions and foundations that they see standing in their way. I knew he spoke truth, and I recognize some people with wisdom, understand what time we have arrived at as a nation. Written calmly, with regret and resignation – he and many, many like him – are preparing to do what must be done when that last mistake by tyrants is made.

    In the weeks that have passed since I first read it, statements, writings, suggestions and visceral vocal hatreds made by those on the Progressive/Left against Christian Conservatives, the Constitution and liberty-minded Americans, have made that editorial’s recognition of reality self-evident. I did not really want to believe the civil society had broken down to the point of separation or war. The White House petitions for secession and the vitriol in response, were merely the first real outward signs that the body politic is no longer willing to abide one another. Indeed, there are those advocating we forcibly strip away or ignore the very bulwarks of the civil society in favor of what Obama and the Progressive/MarxoFascists will impose upon us.

    It is those rantings of the “progressives’ and Marxofascists against those in opposition to the Left’s actions in the last several weeks, that confirms what the Veteran already understood; the time to water the tree of liberty may be near at hand. Like someone who was diagnosed with a terminal disease, I have passed the points of disbelief, denial, and anger – into acceptance of where I did not wish to believe this nation stood.

    Obama and the ‘Progressive’ Left in America lecture that there are Two America’s – coined from a speech given in 2004 by disgraced Democrat Adulterer John Edwards. Those Two Americas he outlined were The Haves and the Have Nots. Right thinking Americans understand those Two Americas to be the Makers and the Takers. The Left sees them as the Evil Rich of White Privilege, and the Disenfranchised Minorities.

    Middle and Conservative America made the mistake of assuming such rhetoric was considered nonsense by the majority. A mistake that may yet prove fatal. Not only did the Progressive/Liberal/Left believe in Two Americas – they went into a cold war with the America many of us on the Right believed in. This is one reason why the Left is so willing to empower government to punish, penalize and eventually eradicate the ‘other America’. An America that they consider to be evil, racist, rich, white, intolerant, bigoted and detrimental to the planet. An America they suggest needs to be ‘replaced‘, ‘ignored” and ‘changed’ and certain of it’s people ‘silenced‘, ‘rounded up and jailed‘ or ‘summarily executed in their homes’ and Republican politicians chained to pickup trucks and dragged around a parking lot – mockingly suggestive in half-joking humor.

    Given this rhetoric of late from the Obama media and Leftist talking heads, I now believe we are past the point of peaceably co-existing alongside the Progressive/Liberal/Left ideology in America. They are going to force their ideology upon us at the end of a government gun – or we are going to resist with our own guns. There is seemingly no other outcome at this point.

    Such rhetoric from the Obama Progressive Left – as I’ve linked to – establishes the hard fact of what I just stated. They publish and broadcast such vileness with impunity, inciting their comrades to support government tyranny upon those they are opposed. Imagine the insane uproar and calls for arrests and imprisonment if Limbaugh or Beck or some Conservative pundit suggested Democrat politicians be dragged across parking lots until they change their views or that liberal citizens should be summarily executed in their homes. But the Left continues to spew such hate and make suggestive Brownshirt-level thuggeries and intimidations – with nary a harsh rebuttal.

    We must understand: MarxoFascists are hell-bent in their woeful ignorance and malice, upon plundering, punishing and subjugating the America and Americans they loathe and hate.

    We cannot exist peaceably alongside such ideologues, these self-proclaimed ‘Progressives’ because they will not live and let live or leave well enough alone. They do not trust their neighbors with liberty or freedom or possession. They see the Constitution as the cause of our national problems and those who revere it as ‘cultists‘. They only trust themselves, and the government they empower to redistribute what they deem to be fair. Dare to question them, their hypocrisy and their agenda – they will have their minions rough you up:



    But it is much worse than just an ideology whose pig-Latin Motto is “Gibsmedat!” To read and hear them now, is nothing short of the kinds of rhetoric an obsessed party has for a Socialist dictator ranting against his political enemies. The willingness of so many to empower government into a tyranny in order to subjugate their countrymen and neighbors to accept ideals anathema to our national and religious foundations is no longer in doubt. In fact, the longer Americans are willing to allow the Progressives and Leftists in America to continue to war upon our foundations without stopping them cold, the more certain liberty as we have known it – will be eliminated. Of course, that is their goal.

    I have read of these moments before in history, when it becomes pointless to appeal to common sense and reason from such ideologues. They are entrenched upon imposing their ideology inasmuch as Conservative Constitutionalists are resolved to resist them. When one side refuses to relent it’s imposition, and the other side – if it compromises any further – surrenders itself to subjugation, an impasse exists that ultimately leads to conflict. A moment arrives where there is but two choices left a people: submission to tyranny and slavery, or resisting by force of arms to the death.

    We are very near to that last moment if it is not already upon us.

    Winston Churchill noted, there is but a window of time to stop madness before the cost in blood is more than a people can bear. A people unwilling to fight when the cost is minimal will cost them everything later on. Should that window of time pass without effort to rectify evil when it is easily defeated, there comes a time when a feeble resistance to preserve one’s own life or to live in subjugation, is all that is left a people. And then, even that becomes futility.

    We are now in that window of time.

    There is no possibility of co-existing alongside the Progressive Left in America today. They do not seek to co-exist. They seek to shame and ridicule. They seek to dominate and subjugate. They seek to intimidate – which is why the MarxoFascists tell us that disarming us is a ‘fait accompli’ because they possess and control drones that can kill us from 20,000 feet up without risk to themselves. A declaration of tyranny in itself to assert we are powerless against them. That subtle suggestion should rock every American to their core that such people would so casually advocate military air power be used on citizens. To the Leftist, such is merely the means to an end, and perfectly justifiable since they see the Conservative Right and their bitter clinging ways as a danger to them.

    It should not surprise us, for that is the nature of the ‘Progressive’ ideology. Same as it is for the nature of sin itself. As the Apostle Paul wrote – “a little leaven leavens the whole lump” (Galatians 5:9) – Sin is never content to sit alongside righteousness. It will ALWAYS work to eradicate and subjugate morality and redefine it in order to justify sin’s dominance. Likewise the nature of Progressive/Liberal/MarxoFascists will never be content to sit alongside the America they despise. They are working to eradicate and subjugate it, redefining morality to justify their dominance, and using newspeak to get the low information person to go along with great-sounding platitudes of their Big Lies. All in the name of the Children, or Safety, or common sense, or intellect. Genocides begin under such societies.

    For they will demonize, ridicule and openly declare their hatred of Conservative/Constitutional Americans. They demand we surrender our rights and principles, bow down to their king, embrace their evil hedonism, submit ourselves to government and allow ourselves to be disarmed. They encourage their president to act as dictator, to ignore the rule of law and impose his will by fiat. They have perverted the law and the courts to their will. They ally themselves with our Jihadist enemies, decry Christendom and shove abomination by force of law down our throats and into our faces. They openly call for the deaths of those Americans asserting their God-granted and Constitutionally-protected Rights and gleefully suggest the subjugation of entire areas of the country where Progressive/Liberal MarxoFascism is eschewed. They call for the abolishment of the Constitution.


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    (....Continued)
    With the evidence of those positions made manifest, how then can anyone think that those of us whom they declared enemies, continue to co-exist alongside such people? What do we have in common any longer? It is clear we do not define liberty or freedom in the same way.

    “The founders may have disagreed on many things, but they agreed on the meaning of liberty: the right to live as an individual, without centralized planning infringing basic property rights, economic opportunities, and religious freedoms. Obama’s fundamental redefinition of liberty to include communitarianism is not merely wrong, it spells the end of the political commonality that has held the fabric of the nation together. If we define liberty differently, then there is nothing to talk about: my liberty is your tyranny, and vice versa. Our goals can never be shared. That gap can never be bridged.

    I think a large number of those whom signed petitions for Secession understand this fact. Only one side is going to prevail in this fight: tyrannical Leftist/Socialist government and secular hedonists – or individual Constitutionalists, biblical Christians and Libertarians. The latter already defined by this government as being domestic terrorists and a danger to the nation. Clearly this regime in power and it’s supporters see us as a larger danger to their power and safety than from Jihadists.

    Since that is the obvious case, there is no point in remaining a united nation. No point in pretending we are all Americans with a shared sense of core values. No point in accommodating and affording time, space or opportunity for the Progressive Left’s viewpoints in our realms of ownership and influence. No point in maintaining friendships or communication with those who see us as terrorists and would happily see us rounded up, imprisoned and eliminated. It is time to separate, defy and ignore those who would impose themselves upon us and the edicts and decrees they make.

    Can a sheep in this age really think it can lie down with the lion and not end up in the belly of the beast?

    Some Americans already understand where we have arrived. They see no need to serve or assist Progressive Leftists in their own destruction. Some are firing employees who support the regime. Ending friendships, partnerships, business and correspondence with those who support the liberal/Left/Marxist ideology. They no longer wish to read, hear or see what the Progressive Leftists/Statists have to say about anything any longer. While the Left continues to ridicule, demonize and castigate the Constitutional Right, Conservatives are becoming quiet, receding from engagement and going ‘Galt’. An unsettled calm is emerging, the ‘deep breath before the plunge’ mimicking shades of what I have read existed in early 1860-61. Meanwhile the Left thinks they have won and now dominate the public square in discourse with increasing disdain and overreach – while Conservatives are furiously but quietly preparing for a much feared outcome.

    The stark truth of understanding where we have arrived is what the veteran was resigning himself to knowing; there is no further possibility of peaceably co-existing with the Progressive Left. To do so, leavens the entire lump. The time for talk is over. There can be no peace with such people and their ideology if God is our Sovereign and liberty our unalienable gift. Our only choice is going to be submission to slavery and eventual eradication – or resisting by every and all manners, up to and including deadly force – to the death. Patrick Henry understood that also and gave an impassioned sermon at the House of Burgesses over nearly the same exact issues, one that should echo in our minds and hearts.

    What our forbears understood when faced with the same situation some 238 years ago – was that submission to the “Legal” authority being forced upon them was breaking the First Commandment of the Lord, by allowing a king and his government to legislate and replace God as their sovereign. Galatians 5:1 became the rallying scripture for Independence, and likewise now for our generation – Americans who cherish the liberty enshrined for us by Almighty God will have a duty to resist and throw off those who would become our evil masters once they make their last mistake.

    In fact, this duty is the actionable clause in the Declaration of Independence which states:

    when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    As the veteran has steeled himself to prepare for the inevitable, I too have resigned myself to accept that the Progressive/MarxoFascist Left will make that last mistake – and it will then become our duty to act as the Declaration states. As Jefferson wrote and I paraphrase for this generation:

    Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our liberal Progressive Countrymen. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by the legislatures to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of our Constitutional Rights and historical heritage. We have appealed to their sense of logic, justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common nationality to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our union. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

    The editorial from the Vet is essentially saying the same, exact thing Jefferson, Adams and Franklin wrote above. It comes down to the fact that a free people can no longer abide those who are working to fundamentally transform their nation, and in the process – rob them of their unalienable rights, their wealth and eventually their freedom and their lives.

    All that is left is to defend ourselves against them, and for many in America – they are preparing for that need, not IF – but WHEN. You might see this essay as nonsense and pooh-pooh the conclusions, but Americans are not breaking records buying guns and ammo to hunt rabbits and squirrels. They KNOW the Obama regime and it’s Alphabets are also stocking up on hollow point ammunition in the BILLIONS of rounds and arming their police and alphabet agencies. I fear a bloodbath in the model of the French is in our very near future. But the choice is either to live as slaves and be eliminated by the MarxoFascists and the State – or to resist them.

    There is a time for everything under Heaven, including the unthinkable.


    I strongly suggest reading the veteran's essay which inspired this one by INVAR. It's the first link in the body of INVAR's post, but here it is again so you don't have to go scrolling and looking for it:

    A TIME TO KILL

    If y'all knew how hard INVAR has resisted coming to the conclusions this blog-post clearly identifies, you would know that this is not a man going off half-cocked. This is a man of God, a man holding out for every last thread of our constitutional republic to reawaken and take us out of this slow march towards tyranny, returning us to the promise of our founding. He has always, up until now, held out hope that there was hope.

    Many of us are coming to the same conclusions as INVAR describes here. It hurts us all. No one wants that which most of us can barely allow to pass our lips. We still participate to one degree or another in the institutions and processes that used to define our uniqueness and greatness in the world, but many of us have either concluded already, or have that nagging feeling in the back of our minds that America is dead, and that those institutions and processes are shams, maintained only to feed our normalcy biases, to fool us through the bromide of familiar customs to embrace our complacency.

    Anyway, I hope you got something out of it. I sure did, and I'm going now to write a heartfelt email of gratitude to INVAR for it.

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    Blues, I told you already that this place could not handle my thoughts.
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    This is nothing that I have not preached myself for years now..........it's too late.
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    You (apparently you agree with him), and the author here, speak of the enemy as though he/she were out there somewhere, they are not out there. The enemy is your mother, brother, father, sister.......are you really prepared for that? Are you prepared to kill children? Are you prepared to watch children by the tens of thousands starve and die in the streets? The pestilence? That's where we are here. You think we'll just walk out our doors, fight some enemy until dark and be home for dinner?
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    You neighbor is fat and happy, you think he'll let you interrupt his state of denial? Your mother who will turn you in 'for your own good'? Your wife who is scared and hungry and is threatened to have her children taken away......think she won't give you up?
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    I have not spoken to my own brother in more than 2 years, he is my enemy, he will turn me in for an Obama brownie point......you bet he will. Same for the rest of my family.....I have all but divorced myself from them.
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    70% of amerikans need to be slaughtered, eradicated. Are you prepared to do what needs to be done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsmurphy View Post
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    Don't get me wrong, I'll fight.
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    70% of amerikans need to be slaughtered, eradicated. Are you prepared to do what needs to be done?
    I have what I need and want for my home defense and will not change anything regardless of what some narcissistic moslem fascist or his thugs want from me. As soon as the guns are gone--what is next? No one is going to take my Jewish yada and put me on a train to nowhere and no SEIU or ACORN or fed thug posing as a "national police force" (they usually call them brownshirts in 1930 germany) is coming to my house to take anything from me. You come to my house to confiscate I can tell you with a certainty that someone will go to hell before I go to heaven.

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