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    ok if these are free to police, what are they giving to fire and ems?
    I mean really you would think saving a few goodies for fire and ems would be the right thing to do as well.
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    Wow, what a socialist minded statement. One entity gets something off the taxpayers back, and you want two other entities to get something as well? Why don't we dig deeper into the taxpayers' pockets and give away all the military's equipment to whomever wants one.

    Personally, I think it's atrocious that any police department would take such a vehicle for their inventory. They don't need it and I'm sure the military could easily sell this 1/2 million dollar piece of equipment to the highest bidder outside this country and try to recoup the taxpayers' money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolf_fire View Post
    Wow, what a socialist minded statement. One entity gets something off the taxpayers back, and you want two other entities to get something as well? Why don't we dig deeper into the taxpayers' pockets and give away all the military's equipment to whomever wants one.

    Personally, I think it's atrocious that any police department would take such a vehicle for their inventory. They don't need it and I'm sure the military could easily sell this 1/2 million dollar piece of equipment to the highest bidder outside this country and try to recoup the taxpayers' money.
    The sad fact is that a lot of it's just being destroyed. That doesn't help the taxpayers either.
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    It is called sarcasm...what the hell does fires and ems need with a freakin tank?

    Our government needs to keep military stuff military
    And stop putting small govt on the dole.

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    WARNING: Obama Greatly Expanding The Militarization Of American Police Force (VIDEO)

    “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” ~ Barack Hussein Obama

    The US military is handing over leftover equipment from the Iraq conflict to police under a military surplus program. Civil liberties groups have criticized the initiative as unnecessary and a move toward the militarization of American law enforcement.

    American law enforcement agencies have received 165 MRAPs – 18 ton, armored vehicles with gun turrets – this year, according to an AP investigation. Military officials say police have filed requests for 731 more, but none are available.

    “It’s armored. It’s heavy. It’s intimidating. And it’s free,” Craig Apple, the sheriff of Albany County said.

    Each of the hulking military vehicles costs around $500,000, and before the MRAPs can be used by law enforcement agencies they have to be refitted for civilian use.

    Even after retro-fitting, the vehicles are still limited. Because of their size, the vehicles are unable to cross some bridges and travel on narrow roads.

    The investigation revealed that some of the MRAPs have already been put to use. In the city of Boise, Idaho, police deployed the vehicle because they suspected a suspect was in possession of heavy firearms and explosives. In Nampa, police used their MRAP to protect officers from a potential explosion.

    The distribution of the armored military vehicles to police forces has prompted strong opposition from US rights groups. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has attacked the military surplus program, branding it a move to militarize law enforcement.



    “One of our concerns with this is it has a tendency to escalate violence,” ACLU Center for Justice senior counsel Kara Dansky told AP. The ACLU has been investigating the use of military equipment in US police forces since 2012 as part of their campaign against the militarization of law enforcement under the slogan: “Towns don’t need tanks.”

    On its website, the NGO records examples of occasions when police have used military equipment in situations when it was unnecessary, disproportionate or counterproductive.

    In one such incident earlier this year, police in North Dakota used a $154 million MQ-9 Predator B drone to arrest a family of anti-government separatists who had refused to return six cows who had wandered onto their property to their owners. Local police borrowed the drone from the Department of Homeland Security, the ACLU reported.

    Apple, the Albany County sheriff, argued that the police force was not becoming more militarized and was instead preparing itself for every eventuality.

    “Our problem is we have to make sure we are prepared to respond to every type of crisis,” he said. For example, he said, if SWAT teams need to get close to a shooter or protect passers-by, a MRAP would be the vehicle for the job.

    The ACLU argues that MRAPs might just be the tip of the iceberg, as it is not known “how militarized the police have become, and how extensively federal money is incentivizing this trend.”
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    If psycho/sociopathic killers would stop killing our children in schools and errant azzhole terrorists would stop blowing us up whenever they feel the need, this discussion wouldn't be happening. A long list of unfortunate events in our history has led to this. This is an answer to the evil in our society. Just as anyone here carries to address violence that may come against them. The conspiracy that this produces is mind blowing. The sheeple need protection and who and what else is going to provide that with increased instances of active shooter and explosive cases? I'm guessing its not going to be some badazz OCer casually walking down the road because that has yet to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dad45acp View Post
    If psycho/sociopathic killers would stop killing our children in schools and errant azzhole terrorists would stop blowing us up whenever they feel the need, this discussion wouldn't be happening. A long list of unfortunate events in our history has led to this. This is an answer to the evil in our society. Just as anyone here carries to address violence that may come against them. The conspiracy that this produces is mind blowing. The sheeple need protection and who and what else is going to provide that with increased instances of active shooter and explosive cases? I'm guessing its not going to be some badazz OCer casually walking down the road because that has yet to happen.
    So... overwhelming militarized police forces in every part of the country, LEO's handcuffing owners at gunpoint in Florida barber shops over expired licenses (Heads roll after botched Orlando barbershop raids | Reuters), sending SWAT teams to seize wildlife (Armed agents raid animal shelter for baby deer | News - WISN Home), killing children at wrong door raids (SWAT Officer kills boy), and making citizens perp-walk while looking for a wounded 19 year old in Boston...? All of this and so many other violations when there were less than 15 mass shootings in the last 20 years, and a handful of organized terror raids - none of which could be prevented by LE hegemony? I don't know about you, but my freedoms are more important than my safety - I'll take my chances of running into an active shooter situation or a terror bombing to remain a free man living in a land of laws and not men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MI .45 View Post
    So... overwhelming militarized police forces in every part of the country, LEO's handcuffing owners at gunpoint in Florida barber shops over expired licenses (Heads roll after botched Orlando barbershop raids | Reuters), sending SWAT teams to seize wildlife (Armed agents raid animal shelter for baby deer | News - WISN Home), killing children at wrong door raids (SWAT Officer kills boy), and making citizens perp-walk while looking for a wounded 19 year old in Boston...? All of this and so many other violations when there were less than 15 mass shootings in the last 20 years, and a handful of organized terror raids - none of which could be prevented by LE hegemony? I don't know about you, but my freedoms are more important than my safety - I'll take my chances of running into an active shooter situation or a terror bombing to remain a free man living in a land of laws and not men.
    Simply put, you're in the minority to what most Americans think. The value of human life is above anything else in the realm of public safety. You referencing number of mass shootings within the 20yr window is a bit misleading. Look into the last12-15 years of the major influx of 'mass shootings'. And not all of them make headlines but they have increased substantially and the psychology AND physiology status behind the shooters has become more clear. Your articles of unfortunate events involving tactical responses are rare but frustrating. But it has become the answer to an otherwise broken and overcrowded jail system and the extremely easy access that these sorts of individuals that have a violent and dangerous mental health past have to firearms. It is what it is. That's why gun control puts the screws to law abiding citizens. As we continue to allow dangerous people to roam freely, with mood disorders and sociopathic tendencies or have radical elements of anti US/Muslim terrorism, we're gonna see civilian LE beef up. Its better than having our military roam the streets because now we're talking a whole different ball game.

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    I probably am in the minority desiring liberty over safety (as are many on this forum) but I'm a strong adherent to Benjamin Franklin's maxim of (paraphrase), "trading liberty for security one ends up with neither". This to me is all too clear with the ever encroaching police state regardless of the cause (of which there are too many to list), but you have certainly touched on some of them.
    As to the 20 year window... the last 15 years have seen a ramp up but I had to start somewhere. Weighted statistics should not be a reason to erode or eliminate constitutional freedoms via any avenue other than Constitutional amendment (natural law would preclude nullifying the 2nd due to our inherent right of self defense) and especially via police abuse and oppression.

    In a free and lawful society, we will have to endure dangerous psychotics roaming around. LE knows of many dangerous people in almost all communities but the law prevents their arrest or detention without cause or proof. This is the law, and I'd love to tweak parts of it but, it is still the best system to protect the innocent (yes, it protects the guilty as well). To do otherwise we create a "Minority Report" entity which is more perverse than Huxley's, "Brave New World".
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    I agree 100%.
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