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    Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who "wasn't going to take away our guns"?

    Well, guess what?

    Less than 100 days into his administration, he's never met a gun he didn't hate.

    A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn't have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn't keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.

    It's called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

    First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the "illicit" manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

    1. "Illicit manufacturing" of firearms is defined as "assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...."

    Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly "illicit manufacturing."

    Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be "illicit manufacturing." And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of "illicit manufacturing."

    2. "Firearm" has a similarly questionable definition.

    "[A]ny other weapon" is a "firearm," according to the treaty -- and the term "weapon" is nowhere defined.

    So, is a BB gun a "firearm"? Probably.

    A toy gun? Possibly.

    A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.

    If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

    * Banning Reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting "necessary legislative or other measures" to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

    Remember that "illicit manufacturing" includes reloading and modifying or assembling a firearm in any way. This would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

    * Banning Gun Clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include "association or conspiracy" in connection with said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

    * Extraditing US Gun Dealers. Article V requires each party to "adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention" under a variety of circumstances.

    We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for Mexico to define offenses "committed in its territory" in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the proposed treaty. So we know that Mexico could try to use the treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.

    Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through "other means of peaceful settlement."

    Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this provision in a pro-gun manner?

    * Microstamping. Article VI requires "appropriate markings" on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

    * Gun Registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a "reasonable time," that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

    ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

    Please use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your Senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    I am urging you, in the strongest terms, to oppose the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

    This anti-gun treaty was written by international bureaucrats who are either stupid or virulently anti-gun -- or both.

    This treaty could very well ban the ability to reload ammunition, to put new stocks on rifles lawfully owned by American citizens, and, possibly, even ban BB guns!

    There are too many problems with this treaty to mention them all in this letter. The rest can be read on the website of Gun Owners of America at: GOA's CIFTA Treaty Analysis

    Please do not tell me the treaty has not yet been abused in this way by the bevy of Third World countries which have signed it. We do not expect the real ramifications of the treaty to become clear until the big prize -- the U.S. -- has stepped into the trap.

    For all of these reasons, I must insist that you oppose ratification of the treaty.

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    Tell Mexico to stay on their side of the boarder along with their politics.... BO is already looking like some stupid kid trying to make nicey nice with all those anti American countries.... Just before they try and kick his @$$
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    Exclamation I'm picking up some reloading stuff this weekend

    I'll load all I can until I'm told otherwise. See ya at the powder keg!!!!
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    There is no end to his attempt to trash the constitution.
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    I thought he took an oath to defend the constitution. Hmmm, I must have been mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    I'll load all I can until I'm told otherwise. See ya at the powder keg!!!!
    I just picked up an 8 pound jug of Varget, 200 rounds of .308, and 1000 large rifle primers. Good on pistol powder but do needs some more pistol primers and bullets.

    Been thinking of getting the stuff to cast my own. Maybe its time to bite the bullet () and get it!

    Also, I have one question...... how is this going to have any impact on crime or Mexico's problems???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I thought he took an oath to defend the constitution. Hmmm, I must have been mistaken.
    He did, but he did it with his hand on the Bible, which means nothing to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    I thought he took an oath to defend the constitution. Hmmm, I must have been mistaken.
    he did.. I saw it.. but did you actually believe that he meant it??.. I sure as hell did NOT!!!
    You can have my freedom as soon as I'm done with it!!!

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    I sent out letters to who they needed to go to this morning.. I already got a reply from one of them.. she says she grew up with guns and is comfortable around them... but who knows what her agenda is.. her reply is below:


    Thank you . . .



    . . for contacting me about gun control. I understand your concerns.



    I grew up in Clare, Michigan, and many in my family are avid hunters and fishermen. I felt very comfortable growing up with guns in our home and I understand the importance of legal and safe gun ownership. I do not support any efforts to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, but I do support enforcement of laws that prevent minors and criminals from illegally purchasing guns.



    My goal is to protect the rights of law abiding citizens, while recognizing the need to protect our children and our families from gun violence and other criminal activity. If we work together, I believe common sense will prevail.



    Should related gun control legislation come before the Senate for a vote, I will keep your views in mind.



    Thank you again for sharing your views with me. Please continue to keep me informed about issues that are important to you and your family.



    Sincerely,

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    Exclamation Mexico Watch your Border

    I don't get the whole of US guns getting into Mexico.
    Maybe Mexico could start a boarder partrol? You know we examin vehicles coming into the USA for contrabn, I guess Mexico should do the same!!!
    Hey, maybe they could help stop all the illeagles from entering the US while the checked for guns.

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