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    Eligibility debate explodes on White House 'dialogue' site
    77% of voters demand Obama release long-form birth certificate
    Posted: June 01, 2009
    9:14 pm Eastern

    By Chelsea Schilling
    2009 WorldNetDaily

    The entire transparency portion of the White House website on "open government dialogue" has been overrun with citizens calling on Barack Obama to release his elusive "long-form" birth certificate to establish his constitutional eligibility to serve as president.

    The forums are open to the public for participation. Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, has been urging those concerned about the issue to get involved.

    As WND reported, on Sunday night only 30 percent of respondents in one forum demanded the president release the document. But that number exploded to nearly 80 percent after the public became aware of the White House resource.

    Here's your chance to tell the White House directly whether you think the birth certificate issue is important.

    At the time of this report, more than 175 comments were posted to the forum, titled "Verifying eligibility to be president of the USA," including the following:

    * We need to keep the pressure on! How did BO even get one foot in the White House door without a birth certificate?

    * Even if he shows a forged birth certificate which he undoubtedly will in time (he and his cronies are in WAAAY too deep) it is common knowledge (records, and his book and many articles) that his father was not a US citizen at his birth so ... Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen period.

    * After the campaigning on all the "wonderful" socialist programs then obfuscating on all the plans to implement them, I'm sick of NO transparency. I recall we were promised the opposite. Only a traitor can be elected as U.S. President and simultaneously refuse to abide by his oath of office.

    * He can't show what doesn't exist! He is a Kenyan usurper and with his minions of baby-killers will ruin our nation!

    * It is a foregone conclusion that Obama is not a natural born citizen. No one would work so hard to hide the truth.

    * Gibbs "laughing" at the reporter who inquired about the long-form birth certificate had body language of deception all over it. And the fact that the other media laughed as well just goes to show how blind and imbecilic they are. Do they really think that the American people don't know the difference between what's on the internet and what they SHOULD be seeing? And yes, I agree that Gibbs isn't just laughing at the reporter. He's laughing at all of us who stand for truth, transparency, and the integrity of our nation.

    * Instead of asking for a birth certificate, at this stage an impeachment should be in the works.

    Only eight people objected to calls for Obama to produce his long-form birth certificate on the single forum while more than 180 postings urged him to do so.

    Since the debut of the "Verifying eligibility to be president of the USA" topic, many other forums have popped up in the records management section of the website demanding Obama produce the document, including the following:

    * "We the people want to see the real long form birth certificate"
    * "Show us the long form birth certificate that would contain verifiable details of Obama's birth"
    * "Direct challenge and demand to Obama and his cronies"
    * "This will go away of you'll just prove your citizenship"
    * "Prove your natural-born citizenship, Comrade Obama"
    * "My son shouldn't serve under Obama"
    * "Presidential birth certificate"

    In the "Making government Operations more open" section of the website, the following forums have also appeared:

    * "Natural born citizenship"
    * "Demonstrate respect for law"
    * "Mr. Obama's birth certificate"
    * "Mr. Soetoro, please show us the birth certificate"
    * "Where's the birth certificate?"
    * "OMG just show us the birth certificate"
    * "Eligibility requirements Article II, Section I, Par. 4"

    The list continues for several pages as the entire transparency portion of the website has been overrun with citizens demanding presentation of the long-form birth certificate. Every thread features dozens and even hundreds of people in agreement that Obama should release the document.

    The website TechPresident blasted "birthers" for "fouling" the Open Government Dialogue website today. Micah Sifry called the voters "conspiracy nuts who think the President isn't legitimately a U.S. citizen" and noted that the website has experienced a big jump in users and comments in the last few days something the author claims could be "a possible sign of trouble."

    "Personally, I've already been on the site voting down the various 'birther' suggestions," Sifry wrote. "It's one thing to be tolerant of differences of opinion and have civil disagreement; it's another thing to let nuts trash a town hall."

    Meanwhile, as WND reported Friday, Obama's elusive long-form birth certificate that would establish his eligibility to serve as president as a "natural born citizen" was the hottest discussion topic at the Fox News Channel's website.

    Under the heading, "Should Obama release his birth certificate? Or is this old news?," more than 1,600 comments were posted all of them after White House press secretary Robert Gibbs was questioned about the document earlier this week by WND White House correspondent Les Kinsolving.

    The rush of posts at the Fox News site made it the "most talked about" issue, according to a ranking on the right side of the page.

    (Story continues below)




    The visibility of the Obama birth certificate issue has also been raised by a new national billboard campaign initiated by Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND. Launched just over a week ago, the campaign has raised about $65,000 and begun erecting billboards that ask the question, "Where's the birth certificate?"

    That campaign followed one launched months earlier to collect names on an electronic petition demanding accountability and transparency on the issue. So far, that petition has gathered nearly 400,000 names.

    In his questioning of Gibbs, Kinsolving specifically made reference to the WND petition.

    "Are you looking for the president's birth certificate?" he asked incredulously. "Lester, this question in many ways continues to astound me. The state of Hawaii provided a copy with the seal of the president's birth. I know there are apparently at least 400,000 people (laughter) that continue to doubt the existence of and the certification by the state of Hawaii of the president's birth there, but it's on the Internet because we put it on the Internet for each of those 400,000 to download. I certainly hope by the fourth year of our administration that we'll have dealt with this burgeoning birth controversy."

    It was the first time any member of the press corps has publicly asked a member of the administration a question directly related to Obama's constitutional eligibility for office as a "natural born citizen."

    Politico has video of the exchange, which is embedded below:

    The question comes as the controversy is heating up nationally sparked in part by a new billboard campaign asking the question: "Where's the birth certificate?" The campaign has also raised more than $50,000 in contributions from the public.

    Just last week, Farah announced the billboard campaign to raise public awareness of the fact that Obama has never released the standard, "long-form" birth certificate that would show which hospital he was born in, the attending physician and establish that he truly was born in Hawaii, as his autobiography maintains.

    The "Certification of Live Birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate which includes information like the name of the birth hospital and attending physician is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.

    Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth.

    Both the petition and the billboard campaign are part of what Farah calls an independent "truth and transparency campaign."


    Presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs bends over laughing at a question over Obama's eligibility

    The first sign to be posted under the week-old campaign, a digital, electronic one, is up and online on Highway 165 in Ball, La. the result of a donation by the owner. In addition, based on the heavy volume of financial donations in the first two days of the campaign, WND was able to commit to leasing two more standard billboards one in Los Angeles and the other in Pennsylvania. It will take several weeks to get those billboards up because of the vinyl printing and shipping involved. Yesterday, WND agreed to lease another electronic billboard in Orange County, Calif.

    While the campaign is off to a robust start, many viewers have asked why Obama's name is not included in the billboard. Farah said the matter was carefully considered.

    "There are several reasons we chose the message: 'Where's the birth certificate?'" he explained. "There is only one birth certificate controversy in this country today despite the near-total absence of this issue from coverage in the non-WND media. This is a grass-roots issue that resonates around the country, as our own online petition with nearly 400,000 signers suggests. In addition, I like the simplicity of the message. I like the fact that the message will cause some people to ask themselves or others about the meaning of the message. It will stir curiosity. It will create a buzz. I'm assuming when these billboards are springing up all over the country, it might even make some in the news media curious. And there's one more factor that persuaded me this was the way to go.


    Birth certificate question being raised in Ball, La.

    "Come 2012, campaign laws will pose restrictions on political advertising mentioning the names of presidential candidates. This one clearly doesn't. I would like to see the federal government make the case that this is somehow a political ad," he said.

    Farah said the campaign was born of frustration with timid elected officials in Washington, corrupt judges around the country and a news media that show a stunning lack of curiosity about the most basic facts of Obama's background especially how it relates to constitutional eligibility for the highest office in the land.

    "As Obama transforms this country from self-governing constitutional republic to one governed by a central ruling elite, the simple fact remains that no controlling legal authority has established that he is indeed a 'natural born citizen' as the Constitution requires," Farah said. "Obama's promises of transparency have become a bad joke as he continues to hide simple, innocuous documents like his birth certificate and his student records."

    The idea behind the billboard campaign is to make sure Obama cannot avoid this question any longer. He must be asked to produce it at every turn, Farah says. Billboard space is currently being hunted in Houston, Dallas, Sacramento, San Francisco, Seattle and other metro areas.

    "Is it unusual for a news agency to launch such a campaign?" asks Farah. "Yes it is. But we live in very unusual times. The founding fathers built special protections into the First Amendment for the free press. The reason they did that is because they understood a vibrant 'Fourth Estate' was necessary as an independent watchdog on government. It is in that tradition that WND assumes this role since nobody else in the press will do it."

    WND previously launched a petition campaign that has collected more than 375,000 names demanding Obama's eligibility be verified and demonstrated publicly. That campaign continues. That list has been shared with members of the Electoral College and the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

    "I wish such a campaign were not absolutely necessary," said Farah. "I wish there were checks and balances in our political and electoral systems to ensure that constitutional eligibility of presidential candidates was established before politicians could assume the highest office in the land. I wish my colleagues in the news media believed the Constitution really means what it says and pressed this issue as hard as we have pressed it at WND. I wish radio talk-show hosts were bold enough to ask this question. But wishing is not enough. It's time to raise the visibility of this issue vital to the rule of law in America. I ask everyone to pitch in and help WND make a simple yet profound statement: The Constitution still matters."

    Your donation from as little as $5 to as much as $1,000 can be made online at the WND SuperStore. (Donations are not tax-deductible. Donations of amounts greater than $1,000 can be arranged by calling either 541-474-1776 or 1-800-4WND.COM. If you would prefer to mail in your contributions, they should be directed to WND, P.O. Box 1627, Medford, Oregon, 97501. Be sure to specify the purpose of the donation by writing "billboard" on the check. In addition, donations of billboard space will be accepted, as will significant contributions specifically targeted for geographic locations.)

    If you are a member of the media and would like to interview Joseph Farah about this campaign, e-mail WND.

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    Sorry I am clueless on this. I guess I just don't understand this issue. I suppose that I haven't been paying enough attention. Isn't BO's mother a US citizen? Doesn't that give him citizenship rights? I thought that people who were born of US citizens were automatically citizens. Can someone explain it for me or send me a link so I can read the what-nots? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Sorry I am clueless on this. I guess I just don't understand this issue. I suppose that I haven't been paying enough attention. Isn't BO's mother a US citizen? Doesn't that give him citizenship rights? I thought that people who were born of US citizens were automatically citizens. Can someone explain it for me or send me a link so I can read the what-nots? Thanks.
    In order for BHO to be a Natural Born U.S. citizen with only 1 American parent... she must have been 25 by the time of his birth and spent the majority of those years living in the US of A. She was not 25 and the amount of years (i believe 17 is the number required by law) was not met as well.

    On a seperate note when his mother married Mr. Sotero, he adopted young Barry so he could attend private schools in Indonesia. His adoption would make him Indonesian and the best he could ever hope for upon being Repatriated is Naturalized US citizen. This means the highest Govt Position that cou;d be legally held is Senator.

    To date, ALL original birth records and education records have been sealed from the public and the Certificate of Live Birth that was posted on the Obama Website during the campaign does not list the vital information required to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the place of birth. (We have an Identical C.O.L.B. from my son's birth in Okinawa Japan also issued by Hawaii...the nearest state geographically)

    This is and should be a major issue but the news agencies that are in the liberals back pockets won't touch it, and the courts are being sidestepped every inch of the way.

    Team Obama's legal dept. has threatened financial ruin on anyone challenging the vetting process that did not take place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    In order for BHO to be a Natural Born U.S. citizen with only 1 American parent... she must have been 25 by the time of his birth and spent the majority of those years living in the US of A. She was not 25 and the amount of years (i believe 17 is the number required by law) was not met as well.

    On a seperate note when his mother married Mr. Sotero, he adopted young Barry so he could attend private schools in Indonesia. His adoption would make him Indonesian and the best he could ever hope for upon being Repatriated is Naturalized US citizen. This means the highest Govt Position that cou;d be legally held is Senator.

    To date, ALL original birth records and education records have been sealed from the public and the Certificate of Live Birth that was posted on the Obama Website during the campaign does not list the vital information required to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt the place of birth. (We have an Identical C.O.L.B. from my son's birth in Okinawa Japan also issued by Hawaii...the nearest state geographically)

    This is and should be a major issue but the news agencies that are in the liberals back pockets won't touch it, and the courts are being sidestepped every inch of the way.

    Team Obama's legal dept. has threatened financial ruin on anyone challenging the vetting process that did not take place.
    For his mother to be 25 years of age for him to be a citizen seems ludicrous. Does that mean that all babies born to teenagers would not be US citizens if they are born overseas, for instance, those born to the youngest of military wives or even military women?

    On a side note, do not our laws allow for any baby born here on US soil to be given US citizenship regardless of the citizenship of their parents?

    Me thinks the laws on all sides need to be rewritten!

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    Here is the thing. What ever the truth is BHO could clear it up once and for all if he chose to. I wonder why he chooses not to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    For his mother to be 25 years of age for him to be a citizen seems ludicrous. Does that mean that all babies born to teenagers would not be US citizens if they are born overseas, for instance, those born to the youngest of military wives or even military women?

    On a side note, do not our laws allow for any baby born here on US soil to be given US citizenship regardless of the citizenship of their parents?

    Me thinks the laws on all sides need to be rewritten!


    IIRC the laws have changed, but what Festus stated applies to the timeframe when obunghole allegedly was born, thus those are what have to be met.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gdcleanfun View Post
    Me thinks the laws on all sides need to be rewritten!
    There is nothing wrong with you having this opinion. However, the law is the law. And Mr. Obama has not proven his eligibility to be the President of the United States of America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by festus View Post
    In order for BHO to be a Natural Born U.S. citizen with only 1 American parent... she must have been 25 by the time of his birth and spent the majority of those years living in the US of A. .
    And where does the Constitution say that? If he was born on U.S. soil, it does not matter where his mother is from or how long she had been here; he would be a natural born citizen, end of story. What we do not know for sure is where he was born, something a birth certificate would tell us. All he needs to do to put this whole thing to rest is to produce the birth certificate. His refusal to do so suggests that he has something to hide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tattedupboy View Post
    And where does the Constitution say that? If he was born on U.S. soil, it does not matter where his mother is from or how long she had been here; he would be a natural born citizen, end of story. What we do not know for sure is where he was born, something a birth certificate would tell us. All he needs to do to put this whole thing to rest is to produce the birth certificate. His refusal to do so suggests that he has something to hide.
    The 14th Amendment... And U.S. Code at the time of his birth...

    If one parent is a US citizen, and the other is not, and the parents are married, then the current law says the child is a US citizen if the American parent was physically present in the US for one or more periods of time totalling at least five years, at some time or times in his or her life prior to (but not necessarily immediately prior to) the child's birth. Additionally, at least two years out the required five years of physical presence must have taken place after the parent's 14th birthday; thus, for example, a parent who was born and grew up in the US, but who left before reaching age 16 and never returned, doesn't meet the requirement.
    Prior to 14 November 1986, the physical presence requirement in this case was ten years (instead of five) -- including five years (instead of two) spent after the parent's 14th birthday. The requirement was reduced in 1986, but the change did not retroactively make US citizenship available to people born previously who did not meet the old requirement. (Congress's intent not to make this change retroactive was affirmed in 1988 with the passage of Public Law 100-525, 8(d), 102 Stat. 2619).

    A description of the US naturalization oath is given in Section 337(a) of the INA [8 USC 1448(a)]. Of particular relevance to the dual citizenship issue is that, as part of the oath, a new citizen must pledge "to renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian View Post
    The 14th Amendment... And U.S. Code at the time of his birth...

    If one parent is a US citizen, and the other is not, and the parents are married, then the current law says the child is a US citizen if the American parent was physically present in the US for one or more periods of time totalling at least five years, at some time or times in his or her life prior to (but not necessarily immediately prior to) the child's birth. Additionally, at least two years out the required five years of physical presence must have taken place after the parent's 14th birthday; thus, for example, a parent who was born and grew up in the US, but who left before reaching age 16 and never returned, doesn't meet the requirement.
    Prior to 14 November 1986, the physical presence requirement in this case was ten years (instead of five) -- including five years (instead of two) spent after the parent's 14th birthday. The requirement was reduced in 1986, but the change did not retroactively make US citizenship available to people born previously who did not meet the old requirement. (Congress's intent not to make this change retroactive was affirmed in 1988 with the passage of Public Law 100-525, 8(d), 102 Stat. 2619).

    A description of the US naturalization oath is given in Section 337(a) of the INA [8 USC 1448(a)]. Of particular relevance to the dual citizenship issue is that, as part of the oath, a new citizen must pledge "to renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen."
    Where in the 14th Amendment does it say that? Nowhere. The amendment starts off by saying that anyone born or naturalized in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction thereof, IS a citizen. This business about one parent being a citizen and the other not being one is nowhere to be found in that amendment.

    The subject of this thread, however, is whether BHO was born on U.S. soil, which he still has yet to prove. Obviously, the man has something to hide.
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