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    Quote Originally Posted by TnRebel View Post
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    Subject: Watch Fox Sunday night

    I think we ALL should watch this. Watch Fox Sunday night. This Sunday at 8:00 pm central 9:00 pm eastern

    It may be that Fox has holding this information back due to the sensitivity of it and out of courtesy. But, Obama has taken on Fox and it appears they are ready to spill the ugly beans of truth about the background of this individual who has had an extremely radical past.

    This Sunday Fox news, is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 9 P M Eastern.

    The report will go back to Obama's earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal details about his ties to Rev. Wright for +20 years i.e. how he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states!

    The report has uncovered more of Obama's radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember. Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: Sunday night, 8 P M . CT ; 9 P M ET.
    Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how YOUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism. If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone you know..
    I checked the schedule for this and I didn't see it in the listings. I just saw what I am assuming (I had to ask someone at work what channel Fox news was on) is the regular shows by the regular commentators during those times. Do you have any more information on this?

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    Public option already exists. It's called Medicare/Medicade. Without it many senior citizens over 65 and others would be without medical insurance because many people on fixed incomes cannot afford private health insurance.

    Death panels already exist. They are health insurance companies who deny claims or authorize treatment to people who are deathly ill/ They have many reasons for denials, but the underlying one is profits.
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    Democrat party has been taken over by the three stooges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBulldog View Post
    Public option already exists. It's called Medicare/Medicade. Without it many senior citizens over 65 and others would be without medical insurance because many people on fixed incomes cannot afford private health insurance.

    Death panels already exist. They are health insurance companies who deny claims or authorize treatment to people who are deathly ill/ They have many reasons for denials, but the underlying one is profits.
    Sounds like another forum infiltrating Obama lover has reared their head again...

    While you apparently have yet to grasp the fact that in the history of the world; Socialized Medicine and Entitlement Programs have always failed...
    They are unsustainable...

    Further, that no where in the U.S. Constitution does it guarantee anybody free anything...

    Nor should it...

    Nor does it place conditions on citizenship under the penalty of draconian fines, and jail time if you don't have Health Insurance as dictated, mandated and itemized by Obama & Company or any other such tyrannical Government...

    Although, you make a few rudimentary points...
    A vague argument could be made that Medicare/Medicare is some what of a public option; but is more of a classic example of the failure of two existing Democrat Initiated Nanny State Entitlement Programs that have failed and are bankrupt... And compelling enough to anybody that is not deaf, dumb and blind; to recognize that Government Run Health Care is not the answer...
    And should be eliminated, not propagated and expanded upon...

    Additionally, a illusory inference could be made that death panels already exist in Private insurance companies whom deny claims for whatever reason...
    Perhaps if the Government repealed the interstate commerce clause abuse legislation they put in place to virtually eliminate any private health insurance company competition across state lines...
    Or, IF the Government did not already force health care providers to give anybody any care they need citizen or not should they walk in a emergency room...
    Or IF the Government, Sanctuary States & Cities enforced our borders and immigration laws...

    99% of the Costs & Expenses of High Health Insurance costs today would not exist...

    You think Medicare/Medicaid is a so-called public option?
    Its the test program to indoctrinate us to Socialized Medicine and nanny state handouts, the Government is the pusher and we are the junkies letting them get away with it...

    You think private insurance companies have death panels?
    Government Created Ones, due to the unconstitutional legislation imposed on private insurance companies and American Citizens directly & indirectly to make it easier to herd the sheeple into the Government Run Single Payer Program, which will ultimately result in the U.S. Government being the only Health Provider...

    You think we have Death Panels now? Wait till one of Obummer's Czar's and or newly created departments decides to start dictating how much & what they will cover...

    Health Care Rationing IS IN YOUR FUTURE SHEEPLE if you do not WTFU...

    There are no free lunches...

    No Free Health-Care...

    No Free Retirement...

    No Free Mortgages...

    No Free Education...

    You hand-out seeking, welfare, nanny state loving Obamabots, need to read & comprehend the Constitution, WTFU and help take this country back to the tenets it was founded on; Small-Limited Government, Self-Reliance...

    Educate yourself sheeple...
    Your future if you do not soon... IS THE "Weimar Republic"
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK4U View Post
    Democrat party has been taken over by the three stooges.
    +1

    Barack, Nancy & Harry


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    November 17, 2009 | By Nathaniel Ward
    Putting one-fifth of America on welfare

    The Left's health care "reform" plan will dramatically expand eligibility for Medicaid, a poorly-functioning program created in the 1960s to help low-income families.
    Heritage Foundation expert Conn Carroll explains:
    The Health care "reform" bills advancing in the House and Senate would expand Medicaid by making this government-run health plan available to all adults with incomes at or below 150% of the poverty line. The change would dramatically multiply eligible recipients, with 46 states seeing increases of at least 20%, including 16 posting jumps of 50% or more. Almost 21% of the entire U.S. population would be eligible for Medicaid and seven states and the District of Columbia would have eligibility rates of at least 25%.

    Meanwhile, Heritage Vice President Stuart Butler debunks liberal myths about the proposed "trigger," which would create a government-run health care "public option" if other reforms fail to work. This mechanism, he explains, provides few incentives to experiment with new approaches and its criteria would be hard to measure.
    The Senate version of the health care bill, which has been written in secret, will probably be revealed this week, Heritage's Brian Darling explains. The House narrowly passed its bloated big-government bill earlier this month.






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    Free Health Care Is Not A Right...



    by Josh Eboch
    Before government can guarantee provision of a specific good or service to any one individual, thus creating a so-called “positive right,” it must first take by force the means of producing that very good or service from someone else.
    Health care is no different. Whether by forcibly appropriating and redistributing the money to purchase care for those who lack it, or by arbitrarily devaluing the time and effort of those who provide it, once a government mandate supplants voluntary exchange, coercion must be used to exercise that “right” to health care.
    But how can taking what belongs to another person (their money, time, or effort) through legislative force be a right?
    Is that not the very essence of slavery?
    The truth is that the only rights actually guaranteed to Americans by the Constitution are those that protect freedom of action.
    They are “negative rights,” which do exactly the opposite of their positive counterparts. Rather than initiate and rely on the use of force to produce a specific reward or outcome, negative rights allow individuals to act or not act in the absence of coercion, so long as they do not hinder the freedom of others to do the same.
    For instance, it is the right of people in this country to vocalize unpopular opinions, associate with unpopular people, practice unpopular religions, and even carry unpopular weapons. Thanks to our negative rights the government cannot, without due process, take the life, liberty, or property of any American.
    But nowhere in the Constitution does it say that, in order to exercise their rights, each citizen must at birth be given a microphone, a bible, or a gun.
    That was no accident. For more than two hundred years, the freedom and responsibility to determine one’s own future has been the foundation of America’s unparalleled success. But the critical role played by our negative rights has become less and less clearly understood over time.
    Many of this country’s most celebrated leaders have manipulated that ignorance, redefining rights as unearned rewards for politically favored groups; payoffs thinly veiled in the pious rhetoric of social justice.
    FDR himself was among the worst. The abject failure of the New Deal notwithstanding, FDR proposed to codify his authoritarian progressive agenda in a constitutional amendment, known as the “Economic Bill of Rights.”
    It reads like a list that could just as easily have flowed from the pen of Karl Marx:
    The right to a useful and remunerative job…
    The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
    The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
    The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition…
    The right of every family to a decent home;
    The right to adequate medical care…
    The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
    The right to a good education.
    Besides being, as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest, economically disastrous and utterly impossible to define or achieve, the biggest problem with FDR’s list was that it sought to make America into a nation of serfs.
    The logic is inescapable. Once something has been deemed a right by those in government, the ability of every person who produces or consumes that good or service to engage in voluntary transactions with the fruit of their own labor is stolen. Their labor is then owned and administered by agents of the collective.
    Again, I ask: Is that not the very essence of slavery?
    There is no doubt that freedom entails risk, and America has not always lived up to the promise of her founding. But when certain people or groups pervert the notion of rights, harnessing the power of government to take by force what they desire but have not earned, then negative freedom becomes a positive tyranny.
    Let us hope that more Americans, before it is too late, learn how to tell the difference.
    Josh is a proud “tenther”, freelance writer, and activist originally from the Washington, D.C. area...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBulldog View Post
    Public option already exists. It's called Medicare/Medicade. Without it many senior citizens over 65 and others would be without medical insurance because many people on fixed incomes cannot afford private health insurance.

    Death panels already exist. They are health insurance companies who deny claims or authorize treatment to people who are deathly ill/ They have many reasons for denials, but the underlying one is profits.
    Before I dismiss you as yet another troll, please tell us something about yourself. Let's start with the basics: Do you believe in the Constitution, as written by the Founders? If yes, tell us where it says we are entitled to anything beyond "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? If yes, then tell us what is the role of the federal government?

    If not, then you're undoubtedly gonna feel more welcome on some other website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJFlash View Post
    Before I dismiss you as yet another troll, please tell us something about yourself. Let's start with the basics: Do you believe in the Constitution, as written by the Founders? If yes, tell us where it says we are entitled to anything beyond "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? If yes, then tell us what is the role of the federal government?

    If not, then you're undoubtedly gonna feel more welcome on some other website.
    I really hate it that someone like this,LaBulldog, is a Texan. Hopefully a transplant.
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    This is a public forum. Those with differing opinions should still be welcome. Through civil discussion, we might try to sway their ideology, but we shouldn't dismiss them outright either.

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