I'm looking for a good rifle

[KimberPB]

Originally Posted by abock33

I agree they should be too. They're the same price as GI anyway. KimberPB do you have to change the mag well or do you just have different mags?

For the .22 lr, 9mm, .223/5.56, 7.62, 6.5 grendel, 6.8 SPC, and a few others you only have to change the upper and mags. If you want to go up to .308 you have to have an AR10 lower. Which has a larger mag well.

[abock33]

thats what i wanted to know. thanks

[KimberPB]

Originally Posted by abock33

thats what i wanted to know. thanks

No prob! Glad I could help.

[festus]

Take a look at the PTR91. The mags are dirt cheap. It is .308 Win (good to hunt with). .308 Win is a the same dimensionally as 7.62 NATO (easy to feed)...But most importantly it is a civilian variant of the HK91 used by Seals during Grenada and up to but not during Desert Storm. Accuracy is about 2 MOA with Ball ammo and Horandy TAP 155's will bring her inside of an inch. Don't worry about putting a bunch of fuss gadgets on her. Mine wears a Bushnell 10X tactical because I'm lazy and don't like to walk downrange and check targets.:hilarious:

[Canis-Lupus]

It is pretty apparent that any rifle is not a 1st choice for concealed carry, and is not a great CQC weapon of 1st choice, but rifles are the main-stay of most nation's armies/militias/guards, and insurgents/guerillas, who fight with them as their primary & often only weapon. If Texas Gun wants a proven nice rifle that looks like a clone of the AK-47 but with subtle differences, & major improvements, like NO parts of an AK-47 will work or fit onto a CZ-USA VZ 58 Tactical Sporter, combat-ready with specifications as follows:
Caliber: 7.62x39 mm (reach out & say 'Hello' :57: long before a 50-meter 'Oh-No!' :verschrikt: surprise)
Action: Gas operated, tilting breech block
Overall length: 913 mm / 35.94”
Barrel length: 410 mm / 16.14” (check your local laws!)
Weight: with empty magazine 3.32 kg / 7.32 lbs (Very handy)
Magazine capacity: 30 ($39.00 a mag), 20 & 10 rounds. (Nice & legal for those limited mag round laws/states)
Sights: 100 to 800 meter adjustable rear, hooded front
Stock: Zytel Stock Tactical Sporter. (That space-aged looking stock is light, durable & sweet!)
For under $1,000 (Retail price: $990.00, or less than the cost of most good pistols! ) this sexy looking multi-purpose assault, hunting, target or self-defense rifle hybrid boasts:
Differences between the VZ 58 Sporter and the AK-47:
The VZ 58 has a milled receiver, the AK-47 is stamped metal plate. (lasts longer/fires more/less MF's)
Even with the milled receiver it is almost one pound lighter than a stamped AK-47. Compare that to most rifles going.
The bolt of the VZ 58 stays open after the last round in the magazine has been fired. (BIG draw-back of the AK-47, U could hear a round getting chambered 100-meters away on a calm night "Fire mission follows...").
The VZ 58 has a more natural point of aim and is faster handling.
The safety is more ergonomic making a faster first shot possible with the VZ 58.
The ejection port is HUGE. There is no chance of an empty case getting stuck in the action of the VZ 58. (After a heavy load fire-fight the AK-47 often failed to eject, due to cheap metal heat-expansion and cordite build-up reasons)
The VZ 58 gas piston can be removed or exchanged without tools.
The alloy magazine of the VZ 58 is half the weight of the steel AK-47 magazine. (.42 lb. vs. .84 lb.) (Mags come in 10, 20 and 30)
VZ 58 is easier to field strip. (The AK-47 was a breeze to field-strip, this is better and faster, wow!)
The VZ 58 is striker fired unlike the (wears-out) hammer fired AK-47. This reduces the number of parts and possible points of failure. (Basic rifle marksmanship tenant)
The CZ-USA VZ 58 appeared in the NRA American Rifleman magazine, dated April 2008 (page 52) under 'New for 08'.
Go take a look-see:
http://www.cz-usa.com/media_releases.php?m=4&msgid=74
http://www.cz-usa.com/news_events.php
Or Google Video:

Vz-58 rifle at range

But it ain't CC! And we never thought humans would act like predators :mp230603214546Murde until after a storm called Katrina rolled thru. It was weeks B 4 the law of anything but the gun was even status-quo in N.O. If al-nasties have a 9/11 VER 2 planned or Mother Nature blows Mount Rainier 150K ft into the air & heading east towards me 3-6 hours later, taking most of Seattle with it, and all that millions of tons of volcanic ash and hot gasses crap lands on Spokane, a city of 170K which is not ready to absorb such a hit, or even deal with hungry, angry and desperate survivors heading this way. I'd like to be packing more fire-power than any pistol I own when the looting or killing starts after some event that turns even normal folks into Wal-Mart looters and cop-killers, and it will. History has proven time & time again that the very worst parts of human nature preys on the spoils of war, or major natural disasters long B 4 the law or even the military ever can restore it, so more power to Texas Gun for having the foresight to prepare for a time (I hope never comes) when your weapon and your wits is maybe all you've got left to survive with. Keep it legal until then and have fun on a local range as most 7.62's kick a tad, practice (500-1K rounds) will correct that! Don't take a weather check, the AK's love mud & sand & drop off a truck-bed just fine!
If it's anything like the AK-47, that was/still is one very good killing machine, and unlike it's M16 counterpart, it doesn't need much TLC to keep the 30-rd mags pumping out rounds that pack more sustained stopping power than a .22LR or even a .50Cal Barrett/scoped $5-8K work of art bolt-fired target-poppers good for snipers & serious hunters but not a street rumble utile weapon. Semi ='s 1 round per squeeze until the mag is empty. Drop/swap mags is a 3-4 sec drill. I've fired the AK-47; It's unique 'pop' distinguishes it from the 'crack' of NATO weapons. It holds the [ignominious] world record for being the gun that has dispatched more humans than any other single model of firearm ever made. It has killed more humans than the 2 A-bombs used to end WWII combined (!) is the # 1 weapon still in production worldwide with several versions, and it is still the standard issue weapon to many armies world-wide, security forces, many Spec-Ops units (AKM's and variants) and of course terrorists/so why not in the U.S. serious mid-budget limited/high-quality weaponry minded market? A lesser weapon would never have made it to the top and been around for 1/2 a century! The stigma of the Cold War long gone or the fact that ObL :46: poses with his own customized model? These are some serious credentials and I'd take it any day over a .556 M-16/AR-15/or the many Geneva-Convention humane/friendly clone-pups!
Dispatching someone hell-bent on taking your life IMHO should not be a polite, humane or a slow process with .22's, it just gets both slow & messy! Czech-mate!


Canis-Lupus :icon_male1:

[SubHntr]

I own a henry in .357 w/20" octagon brl. I would not be afraid to use this as a home defense choice, BUT I agree with the shotgun being the best choice followed by a handgun.

look around on google for lervergun forums and read what they have to say.

Jim

[TexasGun]

looks like i will have to wait and do my home work, due to the endless choices of the role I expect to fill. It's more like a multi role I guess, My ideas include with out being set in stone, an AR platform with ether a mark-12 upper for heavy grn .223's in a 18"-20" med to heavy barrel. or a 6.5 Grendel upper, with a .223 in a 16"-18" as a popular cal. backup, or cheaper range practice. The perks of that platform can wield to about any mission. Though I do like the .308 NATO round and don't know of any uppers that pin in place to change cal.on the .308 lower. As easily as the .223 lower being able to accept several uppers, etc. i still have my eye on that Springfield M1-a socom 16 the price is the only problem here, though if i want a good AR I will probably be spending around 1300 plus for all the options and 2000 if I want the redesigned gas system such as the POF long guns or Barrett's 468, etc.

If you are still reading, the main buying factor in this search is round availability due to riots, meltdown of government etc.So no 300mag no .260 , .270, ect. Strength of round to hunt, defend, and survive, spare parts are in the plans of coarse. I do want a accuate gun, so maybe not a mini 14-0, nor an AK or veriant, even though they will most likely out last most and require less maintenance.I have found a Rem. 700 series tactical sps in .308 with a 16" heavy barrel, for 699. and do a detachable 10rnd drop mag conversing for 269. But like I said research and hands on will help the hunt>M.

[Canis-Lupus]

On 23 April I posted feed-back about what I thought was a best-of-class all-round rifle, having shot more than a few over the years. I was giving major kudos to the newer CZ-USA VZ 58 Tactical Sporter, I mentioned to 'Texas Gun' that the American Rifleman magazine ran an article on it in their April 2008 'New for 08' (pg 52) section. Just picked-up the June copy (tribute to Charlton Heston on the cover in very nice B & W lithograph, sniff!) and it rated a 2-page spread this time! Only shows the wooden-stock version in this write-up plus test fire stats and specs. I still think the hollow/composite stock beats wood even fake wood like they make this out of.
On pages 72-73 under 'Dope Bag' the American Rifleman again hoots & hollers about this Czech designed/but U.S. made all-round quality rifle, right price, assault-style, hunter, self-defender, light yet powerful 7.62 beauty. I read that magazine every month cover to cover, but someone is trying to sell the U.S. armed public (doing a great job on me!) that this fine bit of weaponry is made by C Z USA (Dept AR) P.O. Box 171073, Kansas City, KS, 66117-0073 [1-800-955-4486] www.cz-usa.com for $970 a pop. Made in the USA takes the whole Ivan stigma out of it which I didn't know in April, and prolly has a few hundreds of our citizens in Kansas earning a decent wage turning them out. That makes me feel a WHOLE lot better knowing the $1K I'm getting ready to splurge out on will be going to someone who is named maybe Billy-Bob Smith (U.S.M.C. Vet) not Illich Vlad Yankofovich (Czech Socialist Red army retired) on the Danube River banks, and our ca$h is NOT going back to Czechoslovakia to take care of some SOB's who were mortal enemies of this nation (including me as a younger pack pup in olive-drab!) before the wall came down, and that was NOT that long ago! :angry2:
I never thought I'd be thinking about a rifle purchase, never-ever an AK hybrid but for around a grand and made to the hi-end machined specs this boasts, with 7.62 knock-down power, this ='s my money well spent, some 20 & 30 rd. mags, a cleaning-kit for a 7.62 (an old moth-balled M60 jobby may do Army Surplus cheap) a crate or eight of ammo and bag/sling, I may just call around the local FFL's dealers in town and send some hot lead down-range, dreaming I hit a full bird Czech/Bear [red 'n dead] BMP/T-72 mech bastard with every ball ka-splat. :bigsmile:
I post this only as a follow-up to the 1st post about what's a good rifle per my take which weighs should have/must haves/cost and B able to do when others fail. IMHO this is hard to beat in so many areas.
Regards,

Canis-Lupus :bigsmile: