SHTF/WROL firearm selections. Opinions/feedback.

[gunnerbob]

Assualt rifles: 2-5 ea

-7.62x39 AK-47(variants) serve as primary option.(5 ea)
-5.56x45 AR-15(A2 model) serve as primary option.(5 ea)
-5.56x45 SU-16(variants) serve for BoB use.(2 ea)
-.30 Carbine M1(variants) serve as primary option. (Specifically for smaller people)/(2 ea)

Pistols: 2-5 ea

-9mm 92FS/PT92(variants) serve as secondary option.(5 ea)
-.45acp 1911(variants) serve as secondary option.(5 ea)
-.38 Special(4" revolvers) serve as secondary option.(5 ea)-(2 for vehicle use)
-.38 Special(2" revolvers) serve for BoB use.(2 ea)

Shotguns: 2-5 ea

-12ga Pumps(collapsable stocks) serve for home use.(5 ea)
-12ga Pumps(top-folders) serve for vehicle use.(2 ea)

This is leaving out some other weapons I own that don't count towards the goals.

-All rifles will have 10 loaded magizines each.
-All pistols will have 5 loaded magizines/speedloaders each.
-All shotguns will have 1 50rd bandalier each.

Spare, unloaded magizines will be stored in Mil-spec ammo cans for all calibers. One can per weapon/magizine design.

-Each rifle will have one chest/vest tactical rig each. Capable of using a drop-down thigh pistol holster.

-Each BoB will contain 5 loaded rifle(SU-16) magizines each.
-Each BoB will contain 2 loaded speedloaders(.38 Special) each.
-Each BoB will contain 100 spare rounds of each(5.56x45/.38 Special) caliber in boxes/bags. (.38 Special on cartridge belts)

-Each vehicle will contain 1 50rd 12ga(00 Buck) bandolier.
-Each vehicle will contain 2 speedloaders(.38 Special) each.
-Each vehicle will contain 50 spare 12ga rounds(00 Buck, #4 Buck, Slugs), and 100 spare rounds of .38 Special(on cartridge belt).

I think I got most of the provisions...

Feedback/suggestions?

[KCD1974]

I hope you are not planning on "bugging out" I guess in a VERY LONG shtf or wrol you would need that much, but my feeling is, it would most likely be a relatively short event. I don't know if you need 2-5 of ALL of that, I mean it can't hurt if you have the cash to support that, but I think 1-2 pistols (quality pistols) and one rifle and one shotgun would fill the bill nicely. I like to stick with one or two calibers at the most that way bulking up on ammo isn't such an issue and it's also easier to get on the go, I have a 9mm and soon a .45.

It's a personal choice, but one can go over board. If you have to fend off a few people trying to hurt you or get your supplies that is one thing, but if you have to go to "war", unless you have friends to man the other firearms, it won't matter if you have 15 weapons or two, you can't shoot them all at once.

Bugging out with all that gear is going to be a major undertaking....Now if you are bugging in...

[festus]

The 92F/FS otherwise known as the M-9 Is JUNK!!!! I carried one in the USAF. I would rather have a SIG226 or USP 9MM if I had to carry a nine.

Consider a few handguns in 40 S&W. Every Cop and his brother has one and that is a good source of what works.

[gunnerbob]

I hope you are not planning on "bugging out" I guess in a VERY LONG shtf or wrol you would need that much, but my feeling is, it would most likely be a relatively short event. I don't know if you need 2-5 of ALL of that, I mean it can't hurt if you have the cash to support that, but I think 1-2 pistols (quality pistols) and one rifle and one shotgun would fill the bill nicely. I like to stick with one or two calibers at the most that way bulking up on ammo isn't such an issue and it's also easier to get on the go, I have a 9mm and soon a .45.

It's a personal choice, but one can go over board. If you have to fend off a few people trying to hurt you or get your supplies that is one thing, but if you have to go to "war", unless you have friends to man the other firearms, it won't matter if you have 15 weapons or two, you can't shoot them all at once.

Bugging out with all that gear is going to be a major undertaking....Now if you are bugging in...

Thanx for the feedback.

Bugging out is the absolute last resort, and if I have to, I'll take an AK-47, 1911, and 12ga. My wife would do the same except with a 9mm. We would burry the rest of our armament, we have the plans and capability to do so.

Having this amount of armament serves several purposes.
1. Spare parts! Fireams break.
2. Provisions for trusted friends and family members.
3. I really like guns and would own this many anyway, hehe.
4. They also could serve as barter... guns/ammo are a poor mans gold.

As it is, it will take a little while for me to obtain that many firearms... so it may/may not happen.

[gunnerbob]

The 92F/FS otherwise known as the M-9 Is JUNK!!!! I carried one in the USAF. I would rather have a SIG226 or USP 9MM if I had to carry a nine.

Consider a few handguns in 40 S&W. Every Cop and his brother has one and that is a good source of what works.

I've heard people get bad M9s, and in my own experiance I've seen some have issues. But, being as that you used one in the USAF, it was probably older than me(at least that's what I've found while serving). The M9s used in the USAF have had tens of thousands of rounds fired through them by hundreds of people. With that kind of usage, failures are going to happen.

I love my M9, never had a malfunction with it! And spare parts and magizines are very abundent, thanks to it being used by our military.

Many people forget that the Berretta M9 beat the Sig P226 in trails in the 80's, aside from the usual political nonsense, it did so b/c it's the better "combat" pistol. As seen by the powers that be, I guess. Another reason I am choosing the M9 is it's all metal, no polymer. That increases service life, with proper maintenance of course.

I have pondered the idea of getting a .40, but haven't brought myself to it yet. It has cuaght on with police departmants and such, so ammo would be available almost everywhere.

Thanx for the input, I shall do some more thinking.

[SGB]

-5.56x45 AR-15(A4 model) (5)

Pistols:

-9mm 92FS (5)
-.45acp 1911(Colt) (5)

Shotguns:

-12ga Pump (2)

- rifles will have minimum 10 magazines each, 1000 rounds ammunition.
- pistols will have minimum 5 magazines each, 250 rounds ammunition.
- shotguns will have 8 rd mag tube extensions, 500 rounds 00 buck.


-Each rifle will have one chest/vest tactical rig each.
-Each pistol will have one duty style holster.

K.I.S.S. and doable.

[gunnerbob]

I'll take the AK over the M4, for my own reasons.

K.I.S.S.

Good advice! Thanx!

[gunnerbob]

Updated, minor tweaks. Suggestions? Again, this is a list to be filled in time... as $$ allows.

Assualt rifles: 2 ea

-7.62x39 AK-47/SKS(variants) serve as primary option A.(2 ea)
-5.56x45 AR-15(A2 model) serve as primary option B.(2 ea) (I have gripes w/ M4s, yes I've used them. OEF vet)
-5.56x45 SU-16(variants) serve for BoB use.(2 ea)
-.30 Carbine M1(variants) serve as primary option. C (Specifically for smaller people)/(2 ea)

Pistols: 2 ea

-9mm 92FS(variants) serve as secondary option. A(2 ea)
-.45acp 1911(variants) serve as secondary option. B(2 ea)
-.38 Special(4" revolvers) serve as secondary option. C(2 ea) (Specifically for ppl w/o much firearms trng)
-.38 Special(2" revolvers) serve for BoB use.(2 ea) (chosen for simplicity of use/MX)

Shotguns: 2 ea

-12ga Pumps(collapsable stocks) serve for home use.(2 ea) (who's at the door gun)
-12ga Pumps(top-folders) serve for vehicle use.(2 ea) (stowed in vehicle at all times)

This is leaving out some other weapons I own that don't count towards the goals.

-All rifles will have 10 loaded magizines each.
-All pistols will have 5 loaded magizines/speedloaders each.
-All shotguns will have 1 50rd bandalier each.

Spare, unloaded magizines will be stored in Mil-spec ammo cans for all calibers. One can per weapon/magizine design.

-Each rifle will have one chest/vest tactical rig each. Capable of using a drop-down thigh pistol holster or waist holster.

-Each BoB will contain 2 loaded rifle(SU-16/AR-15) magizines each.
-Each BoB will contain 2 loaded speedloaders(.38 Special) each.
-Each BoB will contain 50 spare rounds of each(5.56x45/.38 Special) caliber in boxes/bags. (.38 Special on cartridge belts)

(Provisions in vehicle serve as "get-home" weapons/ammo, just in case)
-Each vehicle will contain 1 50rd 12ga(00 Buck) bandolier.
-Each vehicle will contain 2 speedloaders(.38 Special) each.
-Each vehicle will contain 100 spare rounds of .38 Special(on cartridge belt).

I think I got most of the provisions...

Feedback/suggestions?

[golddigger14s]

Thanx for the feedback.

4. They also could serve as barter... guns/ammo are a poor mans gold.

I've been thinking about the gun/ammo barter idea. You give me five gallons of gas for a box of ammo-great. They now load up their gun and take the five gallons of gas back from me-screwed.

[gunnerbob]

I've been thinking about the gun/ammo barter idea. You give me five gallons of gas for a box of ammo-great. They now load up their gun and take the five gallons of gas back from me-screwed.

Well, hopefully you're armed, and very proficient with your weapon(s)... so he doesn't get the upper hand on you. I'd advise you only barter firearms with people whom you have had previous relations with, and perhaps somewhat trust to not shoot you in the back.