State of Disaster question.

[Canis-Lupus]

Yeah Boris,
I was out of the country when Watts in L.A. went down. It transfixe us Limeys to our tubes. Racial and ugly per the only 2 T.V. channels we had BBC and ITV in 1965 G.B. The name Marquette Frye comes to mind as the catalyst for a incident that just blew up from there. I wonder what happened to those who were attacked, had their shops/homes looted and lost cars U name it or the ultimate loss, their lives, I'm sure some folks fought back when they realized 911 was not coming to their aid, and even the NG were out-gunned/numbered. The armed & legal law-abiding citizens who used their wit and kit to save themselves and those they loved prolly got sued by the ACLU or something when the CC tapes and eye witness, video camera evidence started hitting the FBI or local LEO offices. Stuff I can't find on the net. Doesn't the governor of a state have the right to raise a militia in the absence of a higher governmental authority to at least protect that State? Those are who I would probably try to link up with if their rules were common-sense U.S.-based ones, loosely based upon current laws to fit the disaster? I don't recall hearing about anyone being jailed for fighting back, but I know 34 people died, 1,032 were injured, and 3,952 were arrested. 977 establishments were damaged, burned, looted, and destroyed, which included businesses, private buildings, and public buildings. L.A. was out of any control for a week of hell or E-Z pickings depending on your spin. That's kinda like N. Ireland when I was a kid but thank God not living there; well trained & well armed insurgents using terror against civilians for political gains made me ashamed of my Irish heritage, with their pub bombs blwing civilians to bits and snipers, as one big SNAFU, mini-civil war that lasted for years setting bombs off from the subways of London (1 tube-bomb put my Mother in hospital for a month) to the bloody streets of Belfast that was a battle zone of Catholic vs. Protestant, a 600 y/o rumble still not settled! I wonder how many of those arrested in L.A. during Watts were Hispanic, Anglo or Afro-BG's and how many same race were moral U.S. ancestry citizens trying to protect more than their own interests. Even in a disaster folks using deadly force to stay alive should have a good intentions or reasons better then revenge (like impending death if they don't act fast!) or they are just bands of dangerous survivalists who offer nothing and take all from those who have little if nothing/or maybe a whole warehouse full of neat stuff to give in return. For most maybe their bonded service, their skills or lands or goods. The (15 page) McCone Report that followed the Watts riots listed the main causes of the Watts riots as 'high unemployment, poor schools, and other inferior living conditions'. That's very like a big city I once lived in England now known as Londonistan is like right now, very like a lot of U.S., Euro and worlwide cities too. Focusing on London and all the smaller regional hubs: Manchester, Blackpool, Leeds, etc., large Brit cities where the problem is the same but the populations smaller. If they all went 'Watts' together, I don't think there is a force including the entire British Army that could do shit to stop them. G.B. just does not have the facilities to inter millions over-night, and deportation of 3rd generation mixed Jamaican/Pakistani/Indian/Anglo heritage BG's who are de-facto British citizens by birth and breeding of foreign parents/grandparents/etc who were also token Brit Citizens when Britain owned a big chunk of the globe and they went there looking for a better life they were promised. Where does the Brit government ship them off to? Where do you send a Brit if they are Brit by birth but don't act or behave in ways that are lawful and just play on a patchwork of ethnic, religious hatreds, an angry mob with no real direction except pure anarchy. Mission: to trash up as much of G.B. up as possible just out of rage, as the American-Negroes of Watts did during that hot summer of 1965 or not so distant Katrina where it wasn't racial, just greed or desperation that drove those looters and snipers & muggers. Making G.B. certainly not a place worth living in or doing trade with, let alone visiting. Those hatreds run back some hundreds of years and still erupt as regular as the North Sea tides. In a post disaster America we could end up on the road they are already half way down! When OJ walked I had a 40-man platoon 1/2 Anglo and 1/2 Hispanic or Afro-American, we almost had a race riot in the entire post, same deal with the Rodney King beating, I was almost retired and all of a sudden black and white troops in my command were setting up hate camps, openly brawling all over the base and disobeying orders no matter who they came from. The MP's quickly had their own probs, black MP's not responding to white 911 calls and vise-versa. So we have seen what power the press has to bring out the 'tribal' in both sects white and non-white when it is taken up as a Crusade of sorts in an Army that should have only one color, green and one law the UCMJ, but in reality I had black privates trying to kill white ones all over the CNN coverage and the power the media has to affect even rigid institutions like the military. We can not expect civilians to act any better, with no screaming NCO to try to break it up, it just escalates.
Good feed-back M8, I am enjoying leaning from others who are posting to this thread. Thinking career military 11-years long gone and acting as civilian ex-military Vet now is a quandary for me. We have one thing the Brits don't have, is room/land-mass; LOTS of it to go to ground in & to and set up provisional cells of self-sustaining communities of like-minded folks, well armed and well provisioned with good command/control/communications with other provo-cells until a government force shows up or forms from a confederation of treaties with these other like-minded cells now redoubts of hundreds of thousands, with trade, armed security, shops, hospitals, and the bare basics that make us different from say the Congo is right now, and hope whomever takes control of us when it all gets back to as normal as it will get it's a government that doesn't make us look and have acted like vigilantes. Or the 1st order of business for any neo-U.S. government struggling with reconstruction, fighting enemies both foreign and domestic will be to pacify the prepared survivors, then to disarm them, impound what they have stored for their 'official' uses and stick them all into Red-Cross centers aka interment camps more like it, complete with armed guards, Draconian rules for years/decades, freedom to do as U R told to do or pay a hefty price, curfews, isolation from outside anything, controlled 'news/propaganda' and social reconditioning. Rationing, no freedom of passage to anywhere outside tightly controlled zones, and no right to self determination, elected reps or counsel to defend yourself or any of the rights our constitution gave us and our amendments polished up. Just blind compliance to the whims of martial law c/o whomever has the troops, tanks, air and nukes to force our compliance. And wait to see how many other nations would not rush to our assistance but come over in their military transports by land, sea and air to incorporate their agendas onto an ex-American population in the bondage of 'comply or die' imprisonment with no where to escape to. I can think of plenty of South and Central American nations who would love to swipe our nation in-tact with a cowed work-force of ex-U.S. citizens, now disarmed refugees in a nation we lost, becoming basic frugal subsistence labor force to be exploited as slave labor for them. 4-get human rights as a luxury of the past with no way to fight back (most of Europe from 1939-44/Balkans 1980/90's) in their own nations. Or following an event that cripples us many VERY eager 'liberators' from Mexico to Venezuela, Columbia to Nicaragua who would love that option to be our masters, right after they empty Ft. Knox. It would be useful to come across some unguarded full NG armories and 'liberate' that kit to stop it going to the mobs who would definitely gain a tactical advantage if they got to it 1st, shit there is about 3 or 4 within 100 miles of where I am at, but steal government kit to fight off U.S. citizens (even) reverted to the mob mentality ones may come with a hefty price to pay later when they find our prisoners or the mass graves we dug executing those who broke our neo-laws or rebelled against them by force! I may lack faith in a Judeo-Christian God concept, I'm a creationalist but good deeds and evil ones are not always that black & white easy to join-up camp with. I am driven by a need to help those in distress, which in a disaster situation could/no make that WOULD get me consumed for even trying to, or deplete what I was smart enough to cache and they couldn't or didn't bother to, those I helped would eat me out, clean me out and leave me behind stripped and dead, an ex-Good Samaritan after the last bottle of water ran dry.
In a country like GB you could place it over TX on a map and still see most of the Lone Star State, and I know places in the Rockies that a 100 coordinated determined survivalists could hold out indef. But not if the BG's have a hold of a few Cobras and the wits too use them or 155 Howitzers, or all the weapons we may not have the time to grab, the savvy to use or the places to store and train with them.
When we break it down certain folks who do have their bug-out plans high & tight, 95+% who don't will go after our gear to survive within the 1st week! History has proven that fact so many times over human history, not just in this long winded reply of self-introspection and (semi) logical thinking. Back 2 lurk mode :-)
Sorry, got to rambling.

Canis-Lupus

[HK4U]

Canis-Lupus wrote:
When we break it down certain folks who do have their bug-out plans high & tight, 95+% who don't will go after our gear to survive within the 1st week! History has proven that fact so many times over human history, not just in this long winded reply of self-introspection and (semi) logical thinking. Back 2 lurk mode :-)

Yep, Mel Tappan wrote in his book on survival and preparedness that if you store up food and your neighbor stores guns, when the poop hits the fan he will have his guns and your food.

[toreskha]

Always have ready access to:

1) A Bible
2) Guns and ammo
3) Water
4) Food
5) A lawyer
6) Somewhere in the boonies that you can get away to

[boris]

canis, i believe Title 10 of U.S. Code allows for a call up of the unorgainized{!!} militia. also, nearly all the states these days have a home guard/ state guard organizaton . I served with the one in Texas for several years. we had a former member of The S.A.S. in our ranks. { yeah, i have some stories!} you might can join the one in washington. one thing i did forget to mention is maintain lowest possible profile. don't advertise that you are preparing and storing. hopefully, that will help avoid combat coppers and the howitzers! and unsavory people.

[Canis-Lupus]

So I start posting about states of emergency/disaster now a big chunk of the eastern part of town went up in flames, a few other fires burning close. I may get to see what happens around here if it gets closer.
Governer put us into a state of emergency, no big except for the 30 or so homes that are now ashes.
Got a feeling that some in town may be planning a little unauthorized 'salvage work' ater dark looking for safes and stuff the fires didn't get.
Will keep U all updated via lap-top if I have to di-di.
Regards,

Canis-Lupus

[kwo51]

Stay wet. Be safe

[boris]

bro, you can count on it!!! get wet{ NO SAND!!} STAY WET AND STAY S-A-F-E!!!

[Canis-Lupus]

SPOKANE VALLEY -- Washington Gov. Chris Gregoire has declared a state of emergency in Spokane, Ferry and Stevens counties to help local agencies respond to all the wildfires in our area.
Raw: Gov. announces disaster declaration (That's news)
The governor spent Thursday night in Spokane Valley after meeting with evacuees from the Valley View Fire. On her flight to Spokane from Olympia, Gov. Gregoire took an aerial tour of fires burning in North Central Washington. "I wonder how much the Feds will give Olympia to un-screw this?" (I'll bet was the topic of conversation)
It's unclear whether the governor will take a tour of the destroyed homes in Spokane Valley.
(If she gets off that helo she will get mugged and the helo will be leaving on the back of a truck as parts of the Valley that didn't get burnt are very rough hoods I won't even drive thru!)
The disaster declaration frees up state resources to help local fire crews.
FEMA has also authorized the use of federal funds to help the state fight the Valley View fire.
The authorization makes FEMA funding available to pay 75-percent of the state’s eligible firefighting costs under an approved grant for managing, mitigating and controlling designated fires.

I don't need a crystal ball to see the FEMA trailers coming next.

So in a year from now we get some trailers, 3 months later our (real) homeless will be living in them as squatters when it turns cold, not the folks who lost their very nice homes, had their insurance pay-off their losses, and now own even nicer repos (1 in 12 homes in town is in foreclosure, great bargains for little cash down!) in a much better part of town like South Hill. It will cost a packet to move those 'WIDE-LOAD' single-wides by freeway from maybe Seattle to Spokane and into a storage area and there they'll stay waiting for the real displaced families to claim them who never will nor even if they did move them back to replace their now destroyed real designer homes, ka-chink, moving and setting up any MH often costs 1/3 of it's value, which will be 2-bed, 1 bath 800sq ft tin cans on wheels that have to come off to be put onto a slab, leveled, anchored-down, add potable water & sewerage and utilities, not a fair trade off for the nice 4-bed- 3 bath, 2,500 sq ft designer model middle-class decent homes they lost. The trailers will do the 'Katrina-2-step', get trashed up or turned into meth labs and eventually get hauled away as total junkers, or sold off in auction to local private slum-lord trailer park owners, dab of paint and resold at $60K a pop to working class families who call places like that O.K. homes, compared to a tent a single-wide new trailer does work if money is tight.... your tax dollars at work.
Cut thru all the bureaucratic BS; have their insurance companies pay the owners of the burnt-out homes a fair market value for total property losses/replacement values and let them walk into a realtor's office and be living in a similar home within a month not even close to the forest they were foolish enough to build those now gonzo homes slap-bang right in the middle of with NO fire-breaks, but a view to die for!
Everywhere I drive around here are very expensive clones of those $1/2 million beauties hanging off the side of thick forested hills and in summer they look great, but U need a snow-cat to even get to them in our 6-month long winters, so we sell them to dumb Kalifornians, or time-share them out to any takers and let them get real guns with hunting/fishing licenses to decimate our wildlife and CCW permits for a double whammy kicker to keep them 'safe' from all us dangerous 'bill-hilly' Spokane yokels as a kicker! NO! We let FEMA send trailers and pampers wasting million$. Let FEMA keep it's charity $'s for the real poor working 2 jobs to just to make it. Hard working honest folks who were happy living in their 30 y/o trailers and don't mind a new one for free and have the richer ex-home owner's (mandatory) private home insurance policies pay for their fire destroyed nicer dwellings and they get the fastest fix for their replaceable losses, minus a small deductible which beats putting them living in motels for months waiting for the pre-fab trailers to show up, and do what, end up like the hundreds of Katrina ones they hauled away last year inside dump trucks as garbage, almost 3 years after they showed up brand new. Joe middle-class with wife, 2.2 kids and a good salary is NOT into living in tiny tin cans on the very same spots of land their once designer log-rancher homes occupied, (how uncouth!) which will get flamed out again next fire season and snowed-in/cut off Nov-April every year. Or does that make too much sense? If you live around trees expect more than squirrels, so have a 50-meter fire break cut around your dream home or lose it to a passing motorist who slings a lit cancer-stick butt out their car window or a lightning strike act of nature.
SITREP + rant all in one on our fire situation.

Canis-Lupus