Trip Report - Traveling with my M&P 45 on JetBlue

[NavyLCDR]

NavyLCDR - you're such a know-it-all.

As it happens, I spent 3 years working for a major airline at the check-in counter. I spent 11 more years working as a travel agent. This is stuff I know a LOT about. You can rest assured that if there is a firearm in the luggage, it is noted in your reservation.

Frankly, I'd appreciate it if you'd just stay off my posts. I'm sick of you.

Ahhh.... yes, disdain for the first amendment as well. OF course you worked for the airlines. Of course you violated Federal law. Of course you were a travel agent before becoming a "firearms instructor". Yes, I used quotes. Of course I am a "NavyLCDR". All these are just words in an html file, aren't they?

Show us actual proof of your claims. Even you, yourself, admitted:

(I tried to look up specific examples of the latter, but could not readily find them. My training counselor - a law professor - had some examples which we explored in my instructor courses.)

Show us the examples, Mr. Gain. Without your examples, you are no less of an internet know-it-all than I am.

[Phillip Gain]

HOW DARE YOU!! My disdain is not towards the First Amendment. My disdain is towards a mouthy, condescending, small jerk who happens to be a US Navy officer. You must be incredibly inspirational to the men under your command. If you have this big a chip on your shoulder when commanding your sailors, it won't surprise me if you find yourself floating home from your next combat cruise.

The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States reads:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I am not Congress, and am not making a law against your words. I am not the Government, denying you the right to redress of grievances. So you can take your snide remark about my disdain for the First Amendment, and go F yourself with it. And go F yourself with your negative insinuations about my instructor status while you're at it. *********.

My intent with this post was to present a factual "real world" account of my first experience traveling with a firearm on a major airline. I also expressed my concerns about arriving in Boston...and my relief that my concerns were unfounded.

In your followup posts:

1) You saw fit to belittle me because I had the concerns in the first place.

2) When I answered your query about the source of my concerns, you saw fit to belittle me because my knowledge of inside procedures of airlines was outdated. (More on that below.)

3) You saw fit (for at least the second or third time in our interactions) to snidely call into question my instructor credentials.

4) When I got annoyed at your boorish and rude behavior, and said something about it, you saw fit to question my support of the First Amendment. (Again - Go F yourself. *********)

I will concede this much: I made a follow-up phone call to JetBlue tonight. To my surprise, it is NO LONGER airline policy to note something in their reservation system when a passenger checks a firearm. The Firearm Declaration Tag is the only documentation that a passenger has a gun in his/her luggage. This is very different from when I worked for US Airways. And it is counter-intuitive; Subsequent to the events of 9/11, I would have expected TSA to require airlines to MORE carefully track firearms and other "dangerous items" aboard aircraft in checked bags.

So, ONCE AGAIN you were able to nit-pick my post.

ONCE AGAIN you were able to find some small inaccuracy, jump all over it, clapping your hands and clicking your heels gleefuly like the fat little squid troll you are.

ONCE AGAIN you were right. And ONCE AGAIN your boorish behavior reveals you for the negative and self-righteous jerk you are, rather than the positive, courteous professional and asset to this community that you could be.

Oh and did I mention - GO F YOURSELF. *********.

[Keykutter]

Hey Phillip,

Don't let the Sea Scout get to you. As I have stated before, I don't even think he's even a real LCDR in the real Navy. In 20 years, I have never come across someone who attained that rank that is so mouthy, condescending and willing to throw his ass in the middle of things just to puff his chest.

Damn, I haven't seen much of him as of late and I was hoping he was gone, but alas, I was wrong.

Yeah, his daddy is probably in the Navy and hears him talk about it to his sister, but comes here because his daddy won't talk to him.

Ya just have to laugh at him and feel a bit sorry. Don't get mad at him. How would you feel if your daddy didn't like you and your mother made you wear pink, and the only escape you had was behind your keyboard?

KK

[NavyLCDR]

As I explained in a reply to a private message that I have received: I attempt to provide people with FACTUAL resources, to which I post references to, so that they can make intelligent decisions based upon what the facts in reality are either in statute or court decisions. This is not the first time that you have posted incorrect information. I would assume that the "instructor" tag under your screen name is supposed to lead us to feel more secure that what you post is actually factually true and researched information. I'm sorry that it chaps your behind when I provide people with information with references to the actual sources which proves your statements to be erroneous.

As I stated in my private message reply to the inquiry I received:

I just like presenting facts in order to allow people to make informed decisions instead of living their lives in the footsteps of self-proclaimed experts. You will notice that a large percentage of the time when I post something, I also post a reliable source or reference which provides factual basis for my assertions. How many times has someone said, "The law says X!" And I have posted, "Really? Statute 123.45 from this government website says Y. Where did you get your information from?" "I got my info from the cop down the street, the gun store down the street or in my CCW class."

I will say that I value the fact that you are willing to come back and post

I will concede this much: I made a follow-up phone call to JetBlue tonight. To my surprise, it is NO LONGER airline policy to note something in their reservation system when a passenger checks a firearm. The Firearm Declaration Tag is the only documentation that a passenger has a gun in his/her luggage. This is very different from when I worked for US Airways. And it is counter-intuitive; Subsequent to the events of 9/11, I would have expected TSA to require airlines to MORE carefully track firearms and other "dangerous items" aboard aircraft in checked bags.

I admire the fact that you are willing to research and find facts and continue to learn. I also appreciate when people post links to facts that prove me wrong and that I can learn from.

Part of the reason I am so abrasive on this forum is that I am sick and tired of people being wishy washy, living in fear of government and the anti-gun crowd, and compromising, many times fueled by false information. It is through compromise and conceding that we have allowed our government to run this country to the brink of ruin. I am through compromising. And, sometimes, when a person calls a spade a spade, they might sometimes call a heart a spade.

[Phillip Gain]

I admire the fact that you are willing to research and find facts and continue to learn. I also appreciate when people post links to facts that prove me wrong and that I can learn from.

Part of the reason I am so abrasive on this forum is that I am sick and tired of people being wishy washy, living in fear of government and the anti-gun crowd, and compromising, many times fueled by false information. It is through compromise and conceding that we have allowed our government to run this country to the brink of ruin. I am through compromising. And, sometimes, when a person calls a spade a spade, they might sometimes call a heart a spade.

First off...I don't give a damn for your admiration. You are reminding me why, in my Army Reserve days, I disliked officers. And squids. So take a guess what you can do with your admiration.

I get where you're coming from about people compromising, etc. But guess what? Being an abrasive jerk to your fellow gun owners DOES NOT HELP. And as to you making corrections - you do it in a way that DOES NOT HELP. You remind me of the jerks that go around habitually correcting other peoples' grammar!

With this post specifically - my message was, "Hey folks...just flew with my gun and it went well. I had some worries, but it turns out they were unfounded." The idea was to inspire confidence in my fellow gun owners, and to alleviate fears about traveling with their firearms.

But sadly, that message has been drowned out by your snide nit-picking of my concerns and their foundations...along with your childish "You're not a REAL teacher!" insinuations.

So once again - until you start behaving like an adult, treating people with respect, and MAYBE EVEN acting like a knowledgable and helpful gun owner who can positively enlighten others - you can go F yourself. A*sho*e.