Utah gun rights advocates team with gun-control fans

[netentity]

Today the bill was substituted in committee. I am not familiar with the Utah legislative process on substitute bills. It appears to me that the original HB204 is dead.

HB204S01 changes to the original HB204;

• Non-resident instructors not outlawed
• Statutory hearing process for instructor complaints by the Utah CCW board.
• Statutory penalty; the penalty also applies to persons making fraudulent complaints against Utah CFP instructors.

HB204S01 does a good job, IMO, of addressing the issue. Either bad apples will be put in line or they will be put out of business and lose their Utah CFP for seven years if they have one. It will also prevent any malicious activity in the form of fraudulent complaints.

The revoked Utah CFP will have the ramification of affecting any other States the revoked person has as many States ask the question on their respective application, "Have you ever had a license or permit to carry denied, revoked or suspended?"

[wolfhunter]

Netentity, you're right. This substituted bill does seem to be a more accurate correction of the problem UT faced.

[calmp9]

Today the bill was substituted in committee. I am not familiar with the Utah legislative process on substitute bills. It appears to me that the original HB204 is dead.

HB204S01 changes to the original HB204;

• Non-resident instructors not outlawed
• Statutory hearing process for instructor complaints by the Utah CCW board.
• Statutory penalty; the penalty also applies to persons making fraudulent complaints against Utah CFP instructors.

HB204S01 does a good job, IMO, of addressing the issue. Either bad apples will be put in line or they will be put out of business and lose their Utah CFP for seven years if they have one. It will also prevent any malicious activity in the form of fraudulent complaints.

The revoked Utah CFP will have the ramification of affecting any other States the revoked person has as many States ask the question on their respective application, "Have you ever had a license or permit to carry denied, revoked or suspended?"

Thanks for the update on this. It's good to see that they changed it.

[ProShooter]

Can someone explain the substitution and how it affects us out of state instructors?

[netentity]

Can someone explain the substitution and how it affects us out of state instructors?

It does not affect out of State Utah CFP instructors. It establishes a formal complaint, hearing and penalty process for all instructors; in and out of State.

The original HB204 is dead. I listened to the minutes from the committee meeting. Either HB204S01 passes or we're back to where we were before. If HB204S01 passes non-resident Utah CFP instructors will still be allowed.