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    Quote Originally Posted by jurist View Post
    I would suggest providing a copy of your permit and license to an officer together during any interaction with LEOs and notifying them regardless of the requirement. It's safer for everyone to be proactive.
    Do you also recomend notifying the front desk person when checking into a hotel? How about the Taxi driver?

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by jurist View Post
    While there is no requirement to notify under the code, sheriffs who issue can set additional regulations/requirements for the permits they issue. A sheriff could make that a requirement. I would suggest providing a copy of your permit and license to an officer together during any interaction with LEOs and notifying them regardless of the requirement. It's safer for everyone to be proactive.
    When I took the UT class back in March, the instructor recommended just the opposite: don't say anything unless a) you're asked about it or b) asked to step out of the vehicle.

    To me, the decision is pretty simple: "Maybe" make a LEO feel more comfortable vs. threatened with a summary execution (ala Harless). No thanks, I'll start worrying about making LEOs "comfortable" when they start taking down the thin blue line. Thus far, I'm not impressed.

    My .02.

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    I am not a LEO but dealing with them regularly and having friends and family who are I can say unequivocally that if you wait until you're out of the car and the cop finds the pistol and you haven't notified them, you WILL have problems and will probably end up prone on the ground with a knee in your back while the cop searches you. If you tell about the gun and ccw permit as soon as you're out of the car but before the pat down you still may be fine. My advice though is better advice than given in the Utah class. If you notify them during your first interaction there are no surprises for anyone. In interactions with LEOs the fewer surprises the safer it is for all concerned. Several students have reported to me and I've seen the same from personal experience that officers will give speeding warnings more regularly than tickets as they view ccw holders as more law abiding generally than the ordinary citizen on the street.

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    Because it's completely ok for officers to treat two legally armed citizens differently based on officer opinion. *SARCASM* for those that might get confused

    In Oregon and Washington there is no notification law, it would be assault and battery for an officer to attack me for not breaking a law. The post above me reminds me of this post, "Great way to get yourself forcibly removed from your vehicle and experience a face plant. Expect your "spy video" and camera to come up missing when they do an inventory of your vehicle subsequent to arrest." Funny part is, most cases like this, the city plea's with the victim with this line of BS, "We will drop all charges if you don't file a claim against the city." The kind of officers you and the other poster described need to find a new job.

    You're advice is not better, it's different (and in my opinion worse). I too have family in the police, and I too work closely with officers...I do not inform them of my firearm unless I feel my safety is at risk. The best way to avoid risking my safety when it comes to police? Avoid them.

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    You might also want to talk with NavyLCDR...he has personally been asked to get out of his vehicle while he was open carrying. He didn't notify, and never received a knee into the back either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jurist View Post
    . My advice though is better advice than given in the Utah class.
    By what standard? How do you quantify that?
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Because I am familiar with Alabama cops, I'm an Alabama gun dealer, I'm an Alabama firearms instructor, and I'm and Alabama lawyer with experience with our officers of the law. Also I have common sense which it doesn't seem the instructor in Utah clearly imparted to the student who's quoting him on this board, not mentioning his credentials or whether his advice was situational. He may have just said genius don't go getting a ccw badge and go flashing it when you get pulled over for all we know. My previous statement was initially made in jest but now I'm serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jurist:239769
    Because I am familiar with Alabama cops, I'm an Alabama gun dealer, I'm an Alabama firearms instructor, and I'm and Alabama lawyer with experience with our officers of the law. Also I have common sense which it doesn't seem the instructor in Utah clearly imparted to the student who's quoting him on this board, not mentioning his credentials or whether his advice was situational. He may have just said genius don't go getting a ccw badge and go flashing it when you get pulled over for all we know. My previous statement was initially made in jest but now I'm serious.
    Ohio has your style of common sense...and your kind of officer...I believe his name was harless. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, since i haven't been to Alabama, but since I have been to Utah, and from what I hear from others, Utah seems like the winning State. In the end, everyone gets to have an opinion and advice for others, so you can keep teaching your students whatever you want. You students get to be like everyone else in the world, and decide what's best for them.

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    Bottom line, my life is easier if I don't inform unless asked or asked to step out of the car. So, I don't
    See, it's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinking they the last dragon that gives Kung Fu a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jurist View Post
    Because I am familiar with Alabama cops, I'm an Alabama gun dealer, I'm an Alabama firearms instructor, and I'm and Alabama lawyer with experience with our officers of the law. Also I have common sense which it doesn't seem the instructor in Utah clearly imparted to the student who's quoting him on this board, not mentioning his credentials or whether his advice was situational. He may have just said genius don't go getting a ccw badge and go flashing it when you get pulled over for all we know. My previous statement was initially made in jest but now I'm serious.
    As an attorney I'm sure you are familiar w/ subjective V. objective right?
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