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  1. Man fired gun into air in road rage incident, police say

    Man fired gun into air in road rage incident, police say

    by Kylie Gifford - Feb. 17, 2010 04:03 PM
    The Arizona Republic

    El Mirage police arrested a man in front of his wife's house Tuesday afternoon after he pointed a gun at another man and fired it into the air in the culmination of a three-vehicle road rage incident, authorities said.

    John Heath, 29, of Phoenix, was arrested shortly after the incident ended in the 12300 block of West Larkspur Drive, according to Assistant Chief Bill Louis, a spokesman for the El Mirage Police Department.

    The altercation began on Olive Avenue near 99th Avenue in El Mirage. A road rage situation developed between Heath's wife in her vehicle and two men in a Chevy pickup truck, Louis said. Heath, driving another vehicle, then began cutting off the truck.

    The situation continued as the three vehicles traveled west on Olive, Louis said. When they reached the intersection at El Mirage Road, Heath cut through a Burger King parking lot to get in front of the other two vehicles as they turned to head north on El Mirage.

    According to Louis, Heath turned onto West Larkspur Drive and pulled into the driveway of his wife's home, where she then pulled in after him. The pickup truck drove slowly past the house and made a U-turn at the end of the street before coming to a stop in front of the home.

    From this point, the spokesman said, the suspect's, the pickup occupants' and neighbors' accounts vary, but at least one man got out of the pickup truck and began walking toward Heath, who was standing in the driveway.

    Heath then pulled out a handgun, which he pointed directly at the man before firing one round into the air, Louis said. The man returned to the truck and the occupants drove down the street to call police.

    Heath was sitting in front of the home when police arrived, Louis said. He was arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and Shannon's Law violations for discharging a weapon in the air.
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    Boys will be boys’… Let's just hope this guy didn't have a permit.
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    Mr Heath is about to get an expensive education regarding pulling a gun on people and firing off rounds to scare them.

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    What an idiot and coward!

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    OK, so two guys in a pickup truck are harassing your wife and you'd be ok with that. And then because he stopped one's advance by firing a warning shot he's a coward. So in your learned opinions in what situation would someone be warranted in pulling their firearm if not in this one? I don't know anything about the incident except what I read here but it's not clear to me who initiated and who had the road rage. For all I know this guy was the level-headed one and the other two were the ones that were enraged. After all, they were making a U-turn in order to continue the encounter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    OK, so two guys in a pickup truck are harassing your wife and you'd be ok with that. And then because he stopped one's advance by firing a warning shot he's a coward. So in your learned opinions in what situation would someone be warranted in pulling their firearm if not in this one? I don't know anything about the incident except what I read here but it's not clear to me who initiated and who had the road rage. For all I know this guy was the level-headed one and the other two were the ones that were enraged. After all, they were making a U-turn in order to continue the encounter.
    I don't recommend firing "warning shots" under any circumstance with regard to civilian carry. If you have time to fire a warning shot, then you had time to get away or your life wasn't really in danger. Firing a gun off into the air in a populated area isn't a very smart thing to do. That bullet must come down eventually and could cause serious injury if it hits someone when it does.

    As I tell my students "two enraged men" doesn't necessarily equate to "deadly force" or possibility of "serious bodily injury".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock Fan View Post
    I don't recommend firing "warning shots" under any circumstance with regard to civilian carry. If you have time to fire a warning shot, then you had time to get away or your life wasn't really in danger. Firing a gun off into the air in a populated area isn't a very smart thing to do. That bullet must come down eventually and could cause serious injury if it hits someone when it does.

    As I tell my students "two enraged men" doesn't necessarily equate to "deadly force" or possibility of "serious bodily injury".



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    I agree - firing in the air is asinine. But everyone on this forum had already decided that the man was a coward and an idiot. He could have been in fear of his and his wife's well-being. Firing the gun broke off the incident although it did get the attention of the authorities - who were apparently nowhere to be seen while the incident was going on. More than likely they were wrestling with an uncooperative donut. Or maybe checking on someone's normall-functioning license plate light - sorry, thinking of another post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvidshooterTX View Post
    I agree - firing in the air is asinine. But everyone on this forum had already decided that the man was a coward and an idiot. He could have been in fear of his and his wife's well-being. Firing the gun broke off the incident although it did get the attention of the authorities - who were apparently nowhere to be seen while the incident was going on. More than likely they were wrestling with an uncooperative donut. Or maybe checking on someone's normall-functioning license plate light - sorry, thinking of another post.
    Avid, Read this:
    Do you see the part about mr Heath cutting off the other truck, and continuing the argument all the way to his wifes home? Mr Heath was outside of his vehcile, clearly intending to escalte the situation.
    Those acts escalated further, by mr heath pulling out a firearm, assulting the two men with it, then discharging a round of their heads. Mr Heath was clearly in the wrong.

    The altercation began on Olive Avenue near 99th Avenue in El Mirage. A road rage situation developed between Heath's wife in her vehicle and two men in a Chevy pickup truck, Louis said. Heath, driving another vehicle, then began cutting off the truck.

    The situation continued as the three vehicles traveled west on Olive, Louis said. When they reached the intersection at El Mirage Road, Heath cut through a Burger King parking lot to get in front of the other two vehicles as they turned to head north on El Mirage.

    According to Louis, Heath turned onto West Larkspur Drive and pulled into the driveway of his wife's home, where she then pulled in after him. The pickup truck drove slowly past the house and made a U-turn at the end of the street before coming to a stop in front of the home.

    From this point, the spokesman said, the suspect's, the pickup occupants' and neighbors' accounts vary, but at least one man got out of the pickup truck and began walking toward Heath, who was standing in the driveway.

    Heath then pulled out a handgun, which he pointed directly at the man before firing one round into the air, Louis said. The man returned to the truck and the occupants drove down the street to call police.

    Mr Heath belongs in Jail.

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    Okay I'm confused...According to Louis, Heath turned onto West Larkspur Drive and pulled into the driveway of his wife's home, where she then pulled in after him. The pickup truck drove slowly past the house and made a U-turn at the end of the street before coming to a stop in front of the home.

    From this point, the spokesman said, the suspect's, the pickup occupants' and neighbors' accounts vary, but at least one man got out of the pickup truck and began walking toward Heath, who was standing in the driveway.

    The guy is coming toward you after following you home and after pulling a U-Turn to come back when he could have just kept going? This doesn't sound like he just wanted to have a chat. When do you pull out your gun? (And yes the guy was an idiot for shooting into the air) What would be protocol in a case like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE DUKE OF ESSEX View Post
    Okay I'm confused...According to Louis, Heath turned onto West Larkspur Drive and pulled into the driveway of his wife's home, where she then pulled in after him. The pickup truck drove slowly past the house and made a U-turn at the end of the street before coming to a stop in front of the home.

    From this point, the spokesman said, the suspect's, the pickup occupants' and neighbors' accounts vary, but at least one man got out of the pickup truck and began walking toward Heath, who was standing in the driveway.

    The guy is coming toward you after following you home and after pulling a U-Turn to come back when he could have just kept going? This doesn't sound like he just wanted to have a chat. When do you pull out your gun? (And yes the guy was an idiot for shooting into the air) What would be protocol in a case like this?
    Laws vary from state to state. I'm not a lawyer, but do teach various firearms safety classes. Generally speaking, you don't use "deadly force" (as in pull a gun) unless you're faced with "deadly force" or "serious bodily injury". Again, not a lawyer, so this isn't "legal advice", so in lay terms, if they guy is doing something that can kill you (coming at you with a knife, speeding at you with a car, has a big rock in his hand, etc.), then "deadly force" would be appropriate. Contrary to what you might have seen on television, "fists of fury" don't count as "deadly weapons" or "serious bodily injury". In cases where it's man vs. woman, many courts have sided with the woman since in most cases, the man has a greater advantage over the women. As for two men going "quien es mas macho" in the street, it would have to be several men vs. on man in order for "deadly force" to be justified.

    I'm not an attorney, not giving "legal advice". Best thing to do is consult an attorney in your area who is familiar with firearms laws and would be able to advise you on self defense matters.



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