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    This State of Arizona is more likely as Vermot and Alaska. AZ residents do not required to get a carry concealed license. They must be age 21 and over, can carry concealed firearm without licensed. But I disagreed it because the main problem is the bad guys are HAPPY they can carry it and kill innocent people.
    ~ RRGlock23

    Bills to OK carrying concealed guns without permits advance

    by Alia Beard Rau - Mar. 25, 2010 12:00 AM
    The Arizona Republic

    Proposed legislation that would make Arizona the third state in the nation to allow adults to carry concealed guns without permits may be the first of the dozen or so weapons-related bills proposed this session to hit the governor's desk.

    Lawmakers have amended Senate Bill 1108 and House Bill 2347 so they consist of identical language that would, among other things, eliminate the requirement for concealed-carry weapon permits for U.S. citizens 21 and older.

    The Senate bill, crafted by Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, was approved Tuesday by the Senate Committee of the Whole and now awaits a vote by the full Senate. The House bill, sponsored by Jim Weiers, R-Glendale, is on the agenda for a vote by the House Committee of the Whole today.

    "If you want to carry concealed, and you have no criminal history, you are a good guy, you can do it," Pearce said of his bill. "It's a freedom that poses no threat to the public."

    If approved by the Senate, Pearce said his bill will then be substituted for the House bill for a vote by the full House. Because the bills are identical, it can then go directly to the governor.

    Only nine states have fewer gun restrictions than Arizona, according to a scorecard released last year by gun-restriction advocates the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Currently, only Vermont and Alaska do not require concealed-carry weapons permits.

    Arizona had 153,209 active permits as of March 21. Permit holders are spread across all ages, races and counties, but White males older than 30 in Maricopa and Pima counties hold the majority, according to the Arizona Department of Public Safety.

    In 2008, then-Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat, vetoed a bill that would have allowed people to have a hidden gun in vehicles without a concealed-carry permit. Gun-rights supporters say their efforts this session will be more successful under Republican Gov. Jan Brewer.

    Gun-rights advocates and opponents have voiced concerns about different aspects of the bill.

    Several Democrats noted that eliminating the permit requirement also means Arizonans would no longer have to take training classes to carry concealed guns.

    Rep. Daniel Patterson, D-Tucson, said he owns guns and is pro-Second Amendment.

    "If you don't know how to use that weapon well, it could easily be taken away from you, and you could be killed with your own gun," Patterson said.

    In order to buy a gun, individuals would still need to pass a background check.

    Several tweaks have been made to the proposed legislation to address other concerns, particularly from law enforcement. It would now require individuals carrying a concealed gun to notify a law-enforcement officer that they are carrying if they are pulled over for a traffic stop. It also would allow the officer to take temporary custody of the gun during a stop.

    "We have reworded it to make it a good balance on freedom and still being tough on the bad guys," Pearce said.

    The changes prompted the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police to drop its opposition to the bill. The organization's president, Sahuarita Police Chief John Harris, said the chiefs saw the bill was going to pass anyway so they wanted to ensure it was as favorable as possible.

    Arizona gun permits

    There were 153,209 people with an active concealed-carry permit in Arizona as of March 21. The vast majority of permit holders are White males ages 30-70. Here are more detailed demographics.

    By age


    • Male: 13,419.

    • Female: 2,971.


    • Male: 19,835.

    • Female: 4,852.


    • Male: 21,605.

    • Female: 6,902.


    • Male: 25,961.

    • Female: 8,991.


    • Male: 28,198.

    • Female: 7,044.


    • Male: 13,074.

    • Female: 1,848.


    • Male: 2,603.

    • Female: 175.

    By race


    • Male: 118,795.

    • Female: 34,244.


    • Male: 2,049.

    • Female: 546.


    • Male: 2,744.

    • Female: 463.



    • Male: 1,107.

    • Female: 333.

    Source: Arizona Department of Public Safety

    Senate Bill 1108/House Bill 2347

    These identical bills are on a fast track to the governor's desk to be signed into law. Senate Bill 1108 was approved by the Senate Committee of the Whole on Tuesday and now awaits a final vote by the Senate. House Bill 2347 is scheduled for a vote by the House Committee of the Whole today. Here are some details:

    • The bills allow individuals 21 and older to carry a concealed weapon without a concealed-carry weapons permit.

    • The bills allow individuals younger than 21 to carry a firearm if any part of it is visible, if they are on property owned by their family or if the firearm is in a purse or case inside a vehicle.

    • The bills require individuals during a traffic stop to inform the officer that they are carrying a concealed deadly weapon. If they fail to do so, it would be a misdemeanor offense.

    • The bills allow a law-enforcement officer to take temporary custody of a firearm for the duration of their contact with the individual.
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  3. And one more thing I want to say it will impacting to the Firearm Instructors' life, because of they are no longer have to take training classes to carry concealed guns with the Firearm Instructors. It will hurt Firearm Instructors, no $$$$$.
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  4. #3
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    Mar 2010
    Yuma, AZ
    Instructor's loosing business is a possibility but I believe a lot of folks will want a permit in their wallet, if for no other reason, to travel interstate (where allowed) with their gun. I suspect some instructors will get creative and make the experience somehow more enjoyable, or cost effective. Example: A Statewide consortium could be arranged whereby anyone with a permit receives a discount from gun shops, and if you attended the course from your permit hosted gun shop; you receive a higher discount on purchases.
    “Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.”
    ~ Stephen King

  5. That's true. Everyone will want a permit in their wallets with their firearm to travel interstate. Because of they are law abiding who have permits better than without a permit.

    Many instructors have "back up" training firearms law enforcement, armed/non armed security, home defense, and many more. That's good for them to have enjoyable.

    I bet Arizonians will want a permit better than without a permit. They are still going to get a ccw training. We are Law Abiding CCW.
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  6. #5
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    Dec 2009
    I for one take issue, with the limited amount of training needed to carry. Specifically, shooting fundamentals, and defense situations are not covered. I always encourage new permit holders to get several more hours of training then the regulations require.
    Because DGU situations are rare, this lack of training is not always apparent to the regulators.
    The less regulations the better, but I am concerned about an increase of accidental discharges with this proposed legislation

  7. Most instructors have the ccw training is a separate price from fundamental shooting, tactical low light, home defense, and many more. That's a good wise for them have group training in separate prices like I mentioned
    NRA Life Member

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