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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Treo View Post
    Don't fergit the Sheeeeeep Dawgzzzz
    Point taken.

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  3. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    Are you sure about all that not answering etc. If you are pulled over for a traffic violation it is my understanding that you can be carried to jail, I know it is rare but possible at least here in SC. Also in SC you are required to present your permit if asked for ID and are carrying but the permit is not tied into either the drivers license or vehicle license plates. As for them being tied to vehicle license I think is stupid as the car I drive is in my wife's name and the one she normally drives is in mine. I also drive a state owned car at times.

    I imagine that if you are pulled over for a traffic violation and refuse to do or say anything other than hand the officer your license, registration and insurance card it is going to be a long exciting day for you.
    In Florida v Boyer the SCOTUS made it clear you need not answer any question put to you by LEO. But any voluntary statements can be used against you in court.

  4. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by DannyBear71 View Post
    In Florida v Boyer the SCOTUS made it clear you need not answer any question put to you by LEO. But any voluntary statements can be used against you in court.
    Like the Ronnie James Dio song went, "Don't talk to strangers." and I have met some strange LEO's.

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    While there are many honest leo there are also many with a 'I am god" complex. You never know what you are dealing with until its too late. Because of this reason I have chosen to educate myself on ONLY providing what information is required and nothing more. This doesnt mean an "in your face attitude" but a calm resolute statement of your rights. A good leo will understand where you are comming from. A bad leo will get in your face,threaten,bully and Ive even seen a leo throw a temper tantrum. It is unfortuneate that the population of America believes that the 4th and 5th amendments are there to protect the guilty when in reality the amendments were written to protect ALL of us from government abuses of power.

  6. ^^^^^^^ +10,000!
    Anyone who says, "I support the 2nd amendment, BUT"... doesn't. Element of Surprise: a mythical element that many believe has the same affect upon criminals that Kryptonite has upon Superman.

  7. #76
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    Wink Just think about this logically....

    Provided you are a law abiding citizen with no intention of violent action, how in the world would letting a cop know that you have a gun be beneficial? As a former LEO, I know that if there was a legally carrying individual that I was citing for a traffic violation, telling me that you are armed IS NOT going to make me feel better.

    Now, if I ask you to step out of the car, then notification is appreciated, even if not legally required. But, of course, I was one of the constitutionalists that would be more likely to issue a warning instead of a ticket to a fellow "gun person", and then spend 15 minutes admiring your new holster. Trust me, I was the exception, and not the rule!
    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

  8. #77
    I just reread this entire thread. It is obvious that each of us has feeling, ideas, and viewpoints that might differ.

    I have been stopped several times for minor traffic violations in the past 20 years. I have also discussed this gun/ traffic stop situation with several officers in AR. Here is the jist I try to adhere to:

    Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I just have to deal with. Be courteous and calm. NO profanity at all. period. No hell or damn. Some of these men are strong Christians and frown upon people who have bad mouths. It is just one more negative against you.

    ASP want to be called "Trooper" not officer. I get their name off their tag and use their name several times, Trooper Smith, so I remember it. That also denotes respect for their job.
    "Good afternoon Trooper Smith. Is there a problem Sir?"

    When you see the blue lights

    1) take you foot off the gas
    2) click on your turn signal to pull over
    3) turn on your dome light so he can see who is in the car. A good habit even in the day time.
    Don't make any furtive movements.

    4) slow down and find a very wide, safe place to pull off, or if necessary pull slightly up a side road......

    so HE won't have to stand with his ass on the highway... OR
    so that both of you won't have to stand between cars and get squashed if his gets rear-ended. (They reeeeally appreciate this when I explained it to them= I laughingly say "I saw all those videos on the internet", they usually laugh)

    5) keep both hands in sight on the wheel until he gets to the window- don't make a bunch of furtive movements= don't reach for your glove box, or your wallet. Keep your seat belt fastened until he sees it.

    6) open the window when asked
    7) tell him where your ID is located, Tell LEO that I have a CCW.
    Unhook seat belt, get wallet out ID slowly, keep one hand on the wheel.

    Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I have to deal with. Be courteous.

    8) If he asks, I tell him where the weapon is: right hip/ under the armrest, etc.

    9) Hand the LEO your DL, CCW, insurance card= kept together in my wallet.

    I have my insurance and registration in a BRIGHT RED envelope, easily found, over my sun visor so I don't have to dig around in the glove box.
    Easy to find when nervous or at night.

    10) Hand him the ins and registration.

    Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I have to deal with. Be courteous.

    When one upset red faced ASP demanded that I hand him my weapon, I refused, stating that I was not going to reach for and hand him a loaded weapon.

    When more than one Trooper/ county has asked me why I did not stop sooner, I pointed out that I was searching for a safer place to pull off so that HE did not have to stand with his azz on the highway. He liked that idea. It defused the situation. Not many wide places up in the hills.

    When another asked me to get out and come to the rear of the car, I suggested that we stand at the side of the road and watch oncoming traffic because we could be splattered. "I've seen those videos on the internet" (he liked that idea) It defused the situation.

    I've had some Jack-Boot experiences too. Cited on other threads.

    Note that when carrying in any other state, I always offer my CCW with DL. They are honoring OUR CCW, which requires us to show CCW with DL. I comply with AR CCW, regardless of the state of occurance. That's the law.

    Thanks for reading. I hope this helps someone.

  9. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post
    I just reread this entire thread. It is obvious that each of us has feeling, ideas, and viewpoints that might differ.

    I have been stopped several times for minor traffic violations in the past 20 years. I have also discussed this gun/ traffic stop situation with several officers in AR. Here is the jist I try to adhere to:

    Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I just have to deal with. Be courteous and calm. NO profanity at all. period. No hell or damn. Some of these men are strong Christians and frown upon people who have bad mouths. It is just one more negative against you.

    ASP want to be called "Trooper" not officer. I get their name off their tag and use their name several times, Trooper Smith, so I remember it. That also denotes respect for their job.
    "Good afternoon Trooper Smith. Is there a problem Sir?"

    When you see the blue lights

    1) take you foot off the gas
    2) click on your turn signal to pull over
    3) turn on your dome light so he can see who is in the car. A good habit even in the day time.
    Don't make any furtive movements.

    4) slow down and find a very wide, safe place to pull off, or if necessary pull slightly up a side road......

    so HE won't have to stand with his ass on the highway... OR
    so that both of you won't have to stand between cars and get squashed if his gets rear-ended. (They reeeeally appreciate this when I explained it to them= I laughingly say "I saw all those videos on the internet", they usually laugh)

    5) keep both hands in sight on the wheel until he gets to the window- don't make a bunch of furtive movements= don't reach for your glove box, or your wallet. Keep your seat belt fastened until he sees it.

    6) open the window when asked
    7) tell him where your ID is located, Tell LEO that I have a CCW.
    Unhook seat belt, get wallet out ID slowly, keep one hand on the wheel.

    Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I have to deal with. Be courteous.

    8) If he asks, I tell him where the weapon is: right hip/ under the armrest, etc.

    9) Hand the LEO your DL, CCW, insurance card= kept together in my wallet.

    I have my insurance and registration in a BRIGHT RED envelope, easily found, over my sun visor so I don't have to dig around in the glove box.
    Easy to find when nervous or at night.

    10) Hand him the ins and registration.

    Experience has shown me that a LEO having a bad day is something that I have to deal with. Be courteous.

    When one upset red faced ASP demanded that I hand him my weapon, I refused, stating that I was not going to reach for and hand him a loaded weapon.

    When more than one Trooper/ county has asked me why I did not stop sooner, I pointed out that I was searching for a safer place to pull off so that HE did not have to stand with his azz on the highway. He liked that idea. It defused the situation. Not many wide places up in the hills.

    When another asked me to get out and come to the rear of the car, I suggested that we stand at the side of the road and watch oncoming traffic because we could be splattered. "I've seen those videos on the internet" (he liked that idea) It defused the situation.

    I've had some Jack-Boot experiences too. Cited on other threads.

    Note that when carrying in any other state, I always offer my CCW with DL. They are honoring OUR CCW, which requires us to show CCW with DL. I comply with AR CCW, regardless of the state of occurance. That's the law.

    Thanks for reading. I hope this helps someone.
    Lots of good advice there but I do have to ask, is there some reason why you have so much experience? You seem to get pulled over much more than the average driver.

  10. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    Lots of good advice there but I do have to ask, is there some reason why you have so much experience? You seem to get pulled over much more than the average driver.
    Always needs to be someone at the pointy end of the spear so they can pass on those life experiences to the rest of us.


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  11. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by FN1910 View Post
    Lots of good advice there but I do have to ask, is there some reason why you have so much experience? You seem to get pulled over much more than the average driver.
    Sure, no problem.
    I have been pulled over for

    window tint several times, another city, = 50 state legal
    navy blue Lincoln with dark blue interior, makes inside look even darker
    tint ok so ASP > got warning for high beam out at 2 pm in the day time ASP= last day of month

    No license plate light, ASP= last day of the month= warning

    Dirty license plate= ASP last day of month= warning

    Quick wander in the lane reaching for cell phone= last day of the month= ASP verbal

    3 mph over the 55 limit, going down hill= last day of the month= ASP warning

    no windshield wipers on/ using RainX = last day of the month= ASP warnning

    headlight out (county) = was on when I left work, honest, county, verbal only, he went to school with my sons

    Speeding, 64 in a 55, and a white pickup was passing my bright red BMW= He was the one speeding, In court ASP said his video recorder malfunctioned. I lose. $90 and $40 for driving school.

    Rolling a stop sign (2 mph) at midnight when I was the only car for miles/ red BMW= different city/verbal warning

    *** I have several close city and county LEO friends
    *** 2 cities, county, and ASP bring their cars to me for service

    I asked their opinions, while we were talking guns. LOL

    Now the two ASP who stopped me, handcuffed me, towed my car, stole my money, confiscated my 1911, told me that anybody with more than $40 is a drug dealer, and cost me $2,000 to beat them in court, on a hokey "tell it to the judge" GUN charge....... Ya, I was in a bright red German car with tinted windows at 1030 in the morning on the interstate.

    I will not make any comment regarding their parentage.

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